If a simple fly ball is dropped (error)in foul territory and the batter then gets a hit, how should this be scored in the official scorebook and relative to the batters batting average?
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There is no relation to the batters batting records. The only relation is to the defensive teams fielding records. Look at it this way. Let’s say the winning run was on 3rd with 2 outs, and a foul ball was dropped for an error. Then, on the next pitch the runner steals home.
The batter is not charged with a PA, nor an AB because there wasn’t one. But, the player who dropped the ball get charged with an error, and the run would be unearned.
The batter is not charged with a PA, nor an AB because there wasn’t one. But, the player who dropped the ball get charged with an error, and the run would be unearned.
Is a dropped foul ball scored as an error?
Yes, if it should have been caught.
It is usually scored an error if it negatively effected the inning.
For example. Bases loaded, two out, batter fouls one off to the first baseman who drops it. Hitter strikes out next pitch... Scorer will not call that an error.
But, if a run ends up scoring, they will.
It's not immediately called an error because no runners can advance, and no runs can score on a dropped foul ball.
Occasionally, you see an outfielder intentionally let a routine foul ball drop for the sake of not allowing a tagging runner advance. That's certainly not an error, that's smart baseball.
If it doesn't hurt your pitchers stats, it's not an error.
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For example. Bases loaded, two out, batter fouls one off to the first baseman who drops it. Hitter strikes out next pitch... Scorer will not call that an error.
But, if a run ends up scoring, they will.
It's not immediately called an error because no runners can advance, and no runs can score on a dropped foul ball.
Occasionally, you see an outfielder intentionally let a routine foul ball drop for the sake of not allowing a tagging runner advance. That's certainly not an error, that's smart baseball.
If it doesn't hurt your pitchers stats, it's not an error.
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It is scored an error whether the batter eventually reaches or not. If it prolongs the at bat, it is an error.
quote:Originally posted by SJbaseball:
It is scored an error whether the batter eventually reaches or not. If it prolongs the at bat, it is an error.
I'm pretty sure your right, although that rule doesn't make sense to me as nobody advanced on the play, they should wait until the ball is put in play and then score it an error if someone advances.
SJ is correct. If the AB is prolonged due to the dropped foul ball it is an error. As long as it is a routine type play.
It's hard to believe that people refuse to see what is right in front of them in the rule
book. SJbaseball is 100% correct. If a foul fly/pop is misplayed and in the judgement of the OS it should have been caught it IS AN ERROR-regardless of what happens afterward.
If a fielder intentionally allows a foul fly to drop to keep a runner from tagging and scoring then no error should be charged.
I've seen official scorers in D1(SEC, Atlantic Sun, ACC, Conf. USA) not make that call
and refuse to make it even after shown the rule.
book. SJbaseball is 100% correct. If a foul fly/pop is misplayed and in the judgement of the OS it should have been caught it IS AN ERROR-regardless of what happens afterward.
If a fielder intentionally allows a foul fly to drop to keep a runner from tagging and scoring then no error should be charged.
I've seen official scorers in D1(SEC, Atlantic Sun, ACC, Conf. USA) not make that call
and refuse to make it even after shown the rule.
Didn't want to start a new thread for this: Is a dropped third strike where the batter reaches first base considered an E-2, or a PB?
quote:Originally posted by C_PEN_Bears:
For example. Bases loaded, two out, batter fouls one off to the first baseman who drops it. Hitter strikes out next pitch... Scorer will not call that an error.
But, if a run ends up scoring, they will.
It's not immediately called an error because no runners can advance, and no runs can score on a dropped foul ball.
If it doesn't hurt your pitchers stats, it's not an error.
Totally wrong. It's scored an error immediately. Watch a game once in a while.
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Totally wrong. It's scored an error immediately. Watch a game once in a while.[/QUOTE]
Agree. You score what happened immediately. You cannot go back and take away an error just because the play did not hurt them (or cost them a run)in the end...
If the ball could have easily been caught and it was dropped...you've got an error.
Now if there was a tarp rolled up out on the corner of the field and the fielder looked down for a split second to find the tarp then looked back up and somehow lost the ball....that's your judgement as to whether or not it was an error.
But an easy pop-up just outside of the foul lines and the fielder is camped out under the ball and then somehow dropped it...then the next pitch the batter strikes out....it was still an error and you should have already marked it as such in the book.
Score with an inkpen and you will be less tempted to change your mind.
Totally wrong. It's scored an error immediately. Watch a game once in a while.[/QUOTE]
Agree. You score what happened immediately. You cannot go back and take away an error just because the play did not hurt them (or cost them a run)in the end...
If the ball could have easily been caught and it was dropped...you've got an error.
Now if there was a tarp rolled up out on the corner of the field and the fielder looked down for a split second to find the tarp then looked back up and somehow lost the ball....that's your judgement as to whether or not it was an error.
But an easy pop-up just outside of the foul lines and the fielder is camped out under the ball and then somehow dropped it...then the next pitch the batter strikes out....it was still an error and you should have already marked it as such in the book.
Score with an inkpen and you will be less tempted to change your mind.