Error or no error

IMO

1- Hit
2- Hit "probably"
3- Hit "probably"

Would actually need to see all three, because all 3 have potential to be scored an E.

Or you could use parental score keeping
If my son is pitching... 3 errors
If my son is hitting... 3 hits

I guess I'm a mean score keeper:

1. error - because after a great stop, he had plenty of time to make the play, he just dropped it.

2. & 3. hits, but I hated it.

obrady, I think I agree with your assessment. Particularly on play 1. If the 3rd baseman had botched the fielding portion of the play, I might have granted a hit depending on how hard the ball was hit and how much "non-routine" effort was involved in fielding the ball when diving after it. But given the fact that he made the great fielding play, but dropped the ball during the transition to the throwing/assist portion of the play, I would award the error. Especially since it sounds like he didn't need to rush in order to get the out.

The two outfield plays are unfortunately hits by just about anyone's interpretation. Mental mistakes to be sure, and I might not rate that player's future too highly, but not errors by strict interpretation of the rules.

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#1. Ball smashed to the left of the third baseman. He makes a diving stop. Jumps up to throw to first, and drops the ball. If he had made the throw it would have been in plenty of time.

It's the jumping up to make the throw causing the dropped ball that makes this a hit IMO. This is part of the play that results from the diving stop. It is not a normal play IMO. Now if he gets set and had plenty of time to throw out the runner with a normal throw and throws the ball away, I'd score it an error.

Making a diving stop and dropping the ball during the transfer is a hit IMO.

Guess a person would have to actually see the play before determining how it is scored. But the transfer (dropping the ball) is part of the diving play. It's not a play made with ordinary effort.

I have to agree with PG on this one about the 3rd baseman. Anytime a player has to dive, that is extraordinary effort. If he drops the ball while getting up, that is just a part of that extra effort. No error in my book. If he was up on his feet and dropped it, or threw it away after setting up to throw, then an error. I'm pretty tough in my scoring judgments, but not on this one.

I guess whenever we discribe a play we always leave out a description that clears it up for everybody. As with most questionable calls you really need to see it, but... in my opinion, he got up, turned tp throw - no rush, pulled the ball out and just dropped it.

PG, it was actually one of your guys who got me to tighten up my score keeping. It was 2005 WWBA, if I remember correctly his name was Jerry, you had to use our high school field to help make up some of the rain-outs. I was running the scoreboard and he was keeping your book. I saw several tough plays and when I looked to see how he scored it, so I could post it on the score board the same way, he scored several simular plays errors. He made me laugh once when he commented his grandmother could have made that play (I seem to remember that play was a slow roller up the middle that the short didn't handle).

I figured if the scoring standard was higher for these top line events, then the kids need to get used to it so they get a better idea of where they actually stand. I mean don't you love those guys who hit 450 in the regular season and then 150 when it counts or in my mind even worst they play a whole season with very few errors then make a lot when it counts.

This did cause a few discussions around the ball field last spring. For example, a hard hit ball at the short stop, and he did everything he could to get out of the way, finally jumping up and letting the ball zip by. I scored it an error, the coach a hit.

I also agree with PG Staff on this one - hit because the act of regaining one's feet is a part of the extraordinary effort.

Had the player jumped up, taken a nice little crow hop and then gunned it 10 feet over the 1B head, then I have an error.

Speaking of errors - the Tiger Pitchers are literally throwing away the series!!! I'll take that to another post...

Just for the sake of accuracy, I have not been an official scorekeeper for many years. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Watching the game tonight - hit and then an error allowing batter to advance