I know this is a long shot, but have you talked to him about your concerns?
I think there is an appropriate way to communicate concerns -- email??? -- it sounds like they are already on the track you describe (perhaps a bit more soberly than I might). 
KD,
I am glad to hear you speak so highly of your HS coach. I was just speaking with someone who has a good baseball background whose son will be a freshman at Keller HS next year. He asked me what I knew about the coach and program there. I told him about all the players and parents that I know and that I had always heard good things. He was glad to hear that from me and I am glad to see you confirm it in writing.
I am glad to hear you speak so highly of your HS coach. I was just speaking with someone who has a good baseball background whose son will be a freshman at Keller HS next year. He asked me what I knew about the coach and program there. I told him about all the players and parents that I know and that I had always heard good things. He was glad to hear that from me and I am glad to see you confirm it in writing.
My son got a new coach his junior year in high school and hated baseball the next two years and also got almost no playing time. A few times he really wanted to quit but ultimately decided to stick it out. It was really rough for him and for his mom and me but we're proud of him for sticking it out. He did not see any value in anything he got from that situation, other than what you get from toughing out a bad circumstance in pursuit of a larger goal. Certainly, he didn't feel he got any baseball value out of it.
His HS coach did not help him move to the next level of baseball. His summer coach got him JC offers but ultimately he went to a DII school to play and he got that opportunity by approaching that coach directly himself and possibly with the help of some coach references he gave if the college coach checked them.
Then midway through the fall college program while his pitching stats were good, something happened and he concluded that where he went to school and what education he got was more important than playing ball.
He quit baseball and transferred to another school in another state over the Christmas break. He did all this by himself, I might add. Figured out the requirements, applied, got accepted, transferred, got a dorm, moved up there, all in about 10 days. I haven't even been there yet. He is definitely engaged academically and I have watched his mind expand and his thinking mature incredibly fast as a result of the environment he is in now. He is starting to miss baseball, which he may or may not do anything about long term. He plans to play in some tournaments he has been invited to this summer (he's still 18).
He doesn't come home that much but when he does believe it or not he visits with his HS coach. He says he now understands the guy and that's all he says about it.
All I know is he is as happy as I have ever seen him, his world is wide open and full of options and he is pursuing them energetically.
All I can do is stand back and be amazed at the man he is turning into.
The lesson from this story is don't burn too much energy on what's bad today, just make tomorrow better. My son taught me that.
His HS coach did not help him move to the next level of baseball. His summer coach got him JC offers but ultimately he went to a DII school to play and he got that opportunity by approaching that coach directly himself and possibly with the help of some coach references he gave if the college coach checked them.
Then midway through the fall college program while his pitching stats were good, something happened and he concluded that where he went to school and what education he got was more important than playing ball.
He quit baseball and transferred to another school in another state over the Christmas break. He did all this by himself, I might add. Figured out the requirements, applied, got accepted, transferred, got a dorm, moved up there, all in about 10 days. I haven't even been there yet. He is definitely engaged academically and I have watched his mind expand and his thinking mature incredibly fast as a result of the environment he is in now. He is starting to miss baseball, which he may or may not do anything about long term. He plans to play in some tournaments he has been invited to this summer (he's still 18).
He doesn't come home that much but when he does believe it or not he visits with his HS coach. He says he now understands the guy and that's all he says about it.
All I know is he is as happy as I have ever seen him, his world is wide open and full of options and he is pursuing them energetically.
All I can do is stand back and be amazed at the man he is turning into.
The lesson from this story is don't burn too much energy on what's bad today, just make tomorrow better. My son taught me that.
Nobody kills a thread like Krace.
We're digesting your contribution -- I'm sure all 51 of your posts are meaningful, unlike 2550 of mine.
quote:Originally posted by Krace4:
Nobody kills a thread like Krace.
That's because when somebody actually comes to the table with factual information, most folks on here can't believe there is life after HS baseball.
Great post Krace4. Your post brings back memories of several coaches I had over the years and what my opinions of them now vs. the opinions I had then.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
We're digesting your contribution -- I'm sure all 51 of your posts are meaningful, unlike 2550 of mine.
Bragger
quote:Originally posted by momandcpa:quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
I know this is a long shot, but have you talked to him about your concerns?
Long shot? I'd call that a suicide mission. IMHO, of course!
Suicide mission is right!!!
I just hope that for those who are having or have had a terrible HS experience w/a coach that their experience parallels the birthing process.
Birthing is a very painful experience full of screaming, crying, long hours of pushing yourself to mental and physical limits.
When the process is successfully completed, its like magic, all the emotional and physically pain you experienced is amazingly erased from your mind and senses.
It works w/labor and I have been told that it works w/bad baseball experiences.
Birthing is a very painful experience full of screaming, crying, long hours of pushing yourself to mental and physical limits.
When the process is successfully completed, its like magic, all the emotional and physically pain you experienced is amazingly erased from your mind and senses.
It works w/labor and I have been told that it works w/bad baseball experiences.
Krace, Congrats to your son for having the courage to CHANGE course!
all of these ideas have some merit but i think that to expect something from a coach is a bad start to a 4 year relationship.
Expecting something from him would have to start at what he expects from his parents and players. I think that is the most important question.
It is not the responsibility of the coach to please the player but it is the responsibility for the player to please the coach. Dont take this the wrong way, when i say please I mean he needs to do things the coach likes for his players to do. It is all about trust in my opinion, if a player works hard and does it the right way and he listens to instruction and attempts to try to do it the way the coach would like for him to do it then I dont know of any coach that would have a problem with any player.
There was a post earlier about this being a coaches job and i think most people do not realize that this is the way they make their living.
I really believe to have a good relationship with a hs coach you must understand what is important to the coach and try to model yourself after those things, obviously these must be some reasonable expectations.
In conclusion expecting things going in to a program may leave you very sad and frustrated. I dont buy the thing about kids not liking the game, the game is the game and if you love it you love it. Maybe all of these seasons with no breaks (summer fall and spring) could have some impact on the love of the game.
Last thing, I bet that there are 9 people that like the coach in most programs and probably 10-13 that dont like the coach. That is a reality that everyone must endure
Expecting something from him would have to start at what he expects from his parents and players. I think that is the most important question.
It is not the responsibility of the coach to please the player but it is the responsibility for the player to please the coach. Dont take this the wrong way, when i say please I mean he needs to do things the coach likes for his players to do. It is all about trust in my opinion, if a player works hard and does it the right way and he listens to instruction and attempts to try to do it the way the coach would like for him to do it then I dont know of any coach that would have a problem with any player.
There was a post earlier about this being a coaches job and i think most people do not realize that this is the way they make their living.
I really believe to have a good relationship with a hs coach you must understand what is important to the coach and try to model yourself after those things, obviously these must be some reasonable expectations.
In conclusion expecting things going in to a program may leave you very sad and frustrated. I dont buy the thing about kids not liking the game, the game is the game and if you love it you love it. Maybe all of these seasons with no breaks (summer fall and spring) could have some impact on the love of the game.
Last thing, I bet that there are 9 people that like the coach in most programs and probably 10-13 that dont like the coach. That is a reality that everyone must endure
I won't speak for your coach, here is what we are doing after missing the playoffs by 1 strike in my first year here.
This past week we turned in all our game stuff. I met individually with each player that is returning and told him what I expect of him going into next year. Also told him he can make next year what ever he want to make of it whether he is a returning starter, letterman, or off of one of the subvarsity teams. If he has any concerns he needs to come and talk to me. We also met as a team and discussed the good things we did this year and the things we need to do better to take the next step. I told them the things that I need to do better as their coach. I am not perfect and I need to work on things in the off-season that will help me to do my job better.
Next week we will be testing in the weightroom and begin a summer lifting program. Make a master list of who is playing where during the summer. We will also offer a school team that will play 1 DH a week Mon-Wed. I'd like 100% particiapation on this team but understand if they can't. As long as they are playing on teams like the Tigers, Cats, Heat and Mustangs (to name a few), that is all that matters.
I have all their summer schedules so I will drop in on them a couple of times. Of course I coach a collegiate team during the summer so I am fairly busy already.
The days we don't lift from now until the end of school, we will hit in the cages, throw to keep their arms in shape for summer time.
We will also make a video of our seniors-to-be that are college prospects. I am going to video it using the computer so that I can email it to all the college coaches that I know.
Is what I do revolutionary, I don't know? Of course I don't have to coach football here so I have alot of free time. All I do know is that I enjoy the kids that I coach. They know that I work hard for them, and I know that they play hard for me.
This past week we turned in all our game stuff. I met individually with each player that is returning and told him what I expect of him going into next year. Also told him he can make next year what ever he want to make of it whether he is a returning starter, letterman, or off of one of the subvarsity teams. If he has any concerns he needs to come and talk to me. We also met as a team and discussed the good things we did this year and the things we need to do better to take the next step. I told them the things that I need to do better as their coach. I am not perfect and I need to work on things in the off-season that will help me to do my job better.
Next week we will be testing in the weightroom and begin a summer lifting program. Make a master list of who is playing where during the summer. We will also offer a school team that will play 1 DH a week Mon-Wed. I'd like 100% particiapation on this team but understand if they can't. As long as they are playing on teams like the Tigers, Cats, Heat and Mustangs (to name a few), that is all that matters.
I have all their summer schedules so I will drop in on them a couple of times. Of course I coach a collegiate team during the summer so I am fairly busy already.
The days we don't lift from now until the end of school, we will hit in the cages, throw to keep their arms in shape for summer time.
We will also make a video of our seniors-to-be that are college prospects. I am going to video it using the computer so that I can email it to all the college coaches that I know.
Is what I do revolutionary, I don't know? Of course I don't have to coach football here so I have alot of free time. All I do know is that I enjoy the kids that I coach. They know that I work hard for them, and I know that they play hard for me.
quote:Originally posted by funneldrill:
We will also offer a school team that will play 1 DH a week Mon-Wed. I'd like 100% particiapation on this team but understand if they can't. As long as they are playing on teams like the Tigers, Cats, Heat and Mustangs (to name a few), that is all that matters.
I have all their summer schedules so I will drop in on them a couple of times. Of course I coach a collegiate team during the summer so I am fairly busy already.
The days we don't lift from now until the end of school, we will hit in the cages, throw to keep their arms in shape for summer time.
We will also make a video of our seniors-to-be that are college prospects. I am going to video it using the computer so that I can email it to all the college coaches that I know.
WOW
FD you continue to impress me, your school, your players and their parents are lucky to have someone like you. I wish you nothing but continued success!!!!
I really appreciate when coaches post here -- thanks, guys.
Great post, FD.
Great post, FD.
FD, you looking for another school by chance?
quote:Of course I don't have to coach football here so I have alot of free time.
Probably one of the only high school varsity coaches that isn't tied into football, and looking at all you do, I'm thinking there isn't really that much free time.
Your post shows the passion you possess not only for your love of the game, but for the love of kids. You're obviously in it for the right reason.
I have all their summer schedules so I will drop in on them a couple of times. Of course I coach a collegiate team during the summer so I am fairly busy already.
The days we don't lift from now until the end of school, we will hit in the cages, throw to keep their arms in shape for summer time.
We will also make a video of our seniors-to-be that are college prospects. I am going to video it using the computer so that I can email it to all the college coaches that I know.
Is what I do revolutionary, I don't know? Of course I don't have to coach football here so I have alot of free time. All I do know is that I enjoy the kids that I coach. They know that I work hard for them, and I know that they play hard for me.[/QUOTE]
AWSOME POST COACH! HOW BLESSED YOUR PLAYERS ARE!
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR COLLEGIATE TEAM!
WHO DOES YOUR VIDEO? MY SON IS A SOPHMORE AND HAS BEEN ASK FOR SOME FILM. WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? IT IS REVOLUTIONARY.....AND SO ARE YOU...
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The days we don't lift from now until the end of school, we will hit in the cages, throw to keep their arms in shape for summer time.
We will also make a video of our seniors-to-be that are college prospects. I am going to video it using the computer so that I can email it to all the college coaches that I know.
Is what I do revolutionary, I don't know? Of course I don't have to coach football here so I have alot of free time. All I do know is that I enjoy the kids that I coach. They know that I work hard for them, and I know that they play hard for me.[/QUOTE]
AWSOME POST COACH! HOW BLESSED YOUR PLAYERS ARE!
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR COLLEGIATE TEAM!
WHO DOES YOUR VIDEO? MY SON IS A SOPHMORE AND HAS BEEN ASK FOR SOME FILM. WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? IT IS REVOLUTIONARY.....AND SO ARE YOU...
OPPS....SORRY FUNNELDRILL
NOT SURE WHY THE ABOVE POST DID NOT CREDIT YOU.
NOT SURE WHY THE ABOVE POST DID NOT CREDIT YOU.
obrady,
This is the first year in about 7-8 that I have not dusted off my resume. The people of Mansfield ISD and Summit High School take real good care of me.
As for the video, we will shoot our hitters from the side and from behind/slightly above. Side for mechanics, behind to show if they are giving the ball proper direction based on the angle of the pitch. Plus the college coach can look for anything else that he wants from those angles.
Fielders, we'll shoot them fielding and throwing. My middle infield that I'll have next year can really turn the DP. The kid that will play 2B next year had to play 1B this year due to a sore elbow. He can turn it at 2B as quick as anyone. I know once a college coach sees that, they'll be hooked. Plus he hit .395.
Pitchers, we'll shoot them side and slightly in front. Once again stressing mechanics. We might shoot a little from behind the catcher so we can see movement on fastball, command, movement on breaking and offspeed pitches.
Everyone is excited since we made the jump from 1-13 in district, to a 4th place playoff this year (of course if we get one more strike on a hitter last friday instead of giving up a game tying grand slam HR in the bottom of 7th then go on to lose on a wild pitch in the bottom of the 8th, we'd be in the playoffs but I'm not bitter about that at all). Our district is balanced from top to bottom. 2 of the 4 teams are up 1-0 in their bi-district series going into today. Lots of teams return many players. We do too, as we will return 7 hitters from our line-up and a couple of pitchers (all 7 of which received All-District honors at our meeting on Wednesday). This off-season will be no picnic. The thing I love about this group of kids is that they invite challenges...that is all I can ask for.
This is the first year in about 7-8 that I have not dusted off my resume. The people of Mansfield ISD and Summit High School take real good care of me.
As for the video, we will shoot our hitters from the side and from behind/slightly above. Side for mechanics, behind to show if they are giving the ball proper direction based on the angle of the pitch. Plus the college coach can look for anything else that he wants from those angles.
Fielders, we'll shoot them fielding and throwing. My middle infield that I'll have next year can really turn the DP. The kid that will play 2B next year had to play 1B this year due to a sore elbow. He can turn it at 2B as quick as anyone. I know once a college coach sees that, they'll be hooked. Plus he hit .395.
Pitchers, we'll shoot them side and slightly in front. Once again stressing mechanics. We might shoot a little from behind the catcher so we can see movement on fastball, command, movement on breaking and offspeed pitches.
Everyone is excited since we made the jump from 1-13 in district, to a 4th place playoff this year (of course if we get one more strike on a hitter last friday instead of giving up a game tying grand slam HR in the bottom of 7th then go on to lose on a wild pitch in the bottom of the 8th, we'd be in the playoffs but I'm not bitter about that at all). Our district is balanced from top to bottom. 2 of the 4 teams are up 1-0 in their bi-district series going into today. Lots of teams return many players. We do too, as we will return 7 hitters from our line-up and a couple of pitchers (all 7 of which received All-District honors at our meeting on Wednesday). This off-season will be no picnic. The thing I love about this group of kids is that they invite challenges...that is all I can ask for.
makes me wish i had bought my last house in the summit district. what you describe could not be any further away than what is happening at Lamar. there is no talk let alone help provided to seniors that are prospects. i wasn't sure if this should be expected of a coach so i looked at a job description and sure enough it is part of their job description.
our coach seems to only care about the players on the Heat team. he will not come to any other select organizations games. that is also reflected during the season. the Heat players can do no wrong while all the other kids that play year round and have private instructors for hitting, etc. are doing it all wrong. Some of these kids are even not subject to the same school rules as the others, like tobacco use in the dugout, skipping baseball classes, cussing the coach, etc
our coach seems to only care about the players on the Heat team. he will not come to any other select organizations games. that is also reflected during the season. the Heat players can do no wrong while all the other kids that play year round and have private instructors for hitting, etc. are doing it all wrong. Some of these kids are even not subject to the same school rules as the others, like tobacco use in the dugout, skipping baseball classes, cussing the coach, etc
screwball,
I am sorry that your high school baseball experience has not been a positive one. Hopefully, things will turn around for you. I will send you a private message.
I am sorry that your high school baseball experience has not been a positive one. Hopefully, things will turn around for you. I will send you a private message.
Of course I don't have to coach football here so I have alot of free time.
He left out the part about Fungo Golf and getting into the hearts and minds of the future crosstown rivals.
Bubba has loved every minute with you, and you are making it very hard for him to say goodbye. The new guy has big shoes to fill, and we only hope that he does right by the kids as well.
Hope next spring brings lots of good stuff your way, except for a couple of those games.....I guess the gloves come off for those. I told Bubba he should probably expect plenty of heckling from you.
Thanks again for being so great to the defecting players. Unlike others that will remain nameless, but that may have a severe case of "little-man" syndrome. Oooops did I just say that outloud?
Oh and by the way, I love your Dad! He is a riot, and makes me miss mine something fierce. If he hadn't up and died on me, they would have been Trouble up there in the stands together.
He left out the part about Fungo Golf and getting into the hearts and minds of the future crosstown rivals.
Bubba has loved every minute with you, and you are making it very hard for him to say goodbye. The new guy has big shoes to fill, and we only hope that he does right by the kids as well.
Hope next spring brings lots of good stuff your way, except for a couple of those games.....I guess the gloves come off for those. I told Bubba he should probably expect plenty of heckling from you.
Thanks again for being so great to the defecting players. Unlike others that will remain nameless, but that may have a severe case of "little-man" syndrome. Oooops did I just say that outloud?
Oh and by the way, I love your Dad! He is a riot, and makes me miss mine something fierce. If he hadn't up and died on me, they would have been Trouble up there in the stands together.
makes me wish i had bought my last house in the summit district. what you describe could not be any further away than what is happening at Lamar. there is no talk let alone help provided to seniors that are prospects. i wasn't sure if this should be expected of a coach so i looked at a job description and sure enough it is part of their job description.
our coach seems to only care about the players on the Heat team. he will not come to any other select organizations games. that is also reflected during the season. the Heat players can do no wrong while all the other kids that play year round and have private instructors for hitting, etc. are doing it all wrong. Some of these kids are even not subject to the same school rules as the others, like tobacco use in the dugout, skipping baseball classes, cussing the coach, etc
Screwball,
First of all, i dont expect you to put much stock in this message as this is only my second post. Further more, my first post was in january and i picked lamar to finish second in the district (sorry about the evidently false hope).
Secondly, i empathize with you and your son concerning your frustrations with your hs program. ive had a less than glamorous experience with hs baseball myself. My advice is for your son to first of all enjoy baseball outside of hs as much as he can possibly can (and yes i realize im blatantly preaching to the choir here; for that i appologize). Also dont let it get to the point where your son's passion for the game starts to waver. He's basically got three options as i see it: confront the problem (having lived in your district for all of my eighteen years, i know this is the worst of the three options), seperate yourself from the problem, or endure the problem. THe third option is probably your best one if your son is getting playing time. If he's not, then let's be honest, he can't get much out of practicing practicingfor a coach he doesn't respect, other than maybe misery. And make no mistake, that's the most important thing, respect. It's a two way street. Yes, your son has the responsibility of treating his coach with respect so long as his coach is treating him with respect. If your son is not being treated with respect, not only should he not return respect to the coach, he has the responsibility not to do so. Watching your son being mistreated isnt worth teaching him a lesson of perseverence.
NOw to the issue I originally intended to address. I can speak for nearly all the Heat players as I play with many of them on the Heat and see the rest of them week in and week out as I work at cover all bases. THe ones I interact with are good kids and good ballplayers so i resent your less than complimentary implications of them. Frankly, in this case your looking in from the outside. And If Coach K has been at any of our games, he must have done a pretty good job hiding as ive never seen him... not once. In fact, since my freshman year at your beloved institution, the only place ive seen coach k is at cover all bases with the rest of lamar's team and days the field was too wet to practice on. Regardless of any favortism, the only two players, both juniors going to be seniors, playing for your school this spring and playing for the Heat this summer were two of your best players this spring down the stretch in your final graspings of the playoffs. So please, choose your gripings more carefully next time.
our coach seems to only care about the players on the Heat team. he will not come to any other select organizations games. that is also reflected during the season. the Heat players can do no wrong while all the other kids that play year round and have private instructors for hitting, etc. are doing it all wrong. Some of these kids are even not subject to the same school rules as the others, like tobacco use in the dugout, skipping baseball classes, cussing the coach, etc
Screwball,
First of all, i dont expect you to put much stock in this message as this is only my second post. Further more, my first post was in january and i picked lamar to finish second in the district (sorry about the evidently false hope).
Secondly, i empathize with you and your son concerning your frustrations with your hs program. ive had a less than glamorous experience with hs baseball myself. My advice is for your son to first of all enjoy baseball outside of hs as much as he can possibly can (and yes i realize im blatantly preaching to the choir here; for that i appologize). Also dont let it get to the point where your son's passion for the game starts to waver. He's basically got three options as i see it: confront the problem (having lived in your district for all of my eighteen years, i know this is the worst of the three options), seperate yourself from the problem, or endure the problem. THe third option is probably your best one if your son is getting playing time. If he's not, then let's be honest, he can't get much out of practicing practicingfor a coach he doesn't respect, other than maybe misery. And make no mistake, that's the most important thing, respect. It's a two way street. Yes, your son has the responsibility of treating his coach with respect so long as his coach is treating him with respect. If your son is not being treated with respect, not only should he not return respect to the coach, he has the responsibility not to do so. Watching your son being mistreated isnt worth teaching him a lesson of perseverence.
NOw to the issue I originally intended to address. I can speak for nearly all the Heat players as I play with many of them on the Heat and see the rest of them week in and week out as I work at cover all bases. THe ones I interact with are good kids and good ballplayers so i resent your less than complimentary implications of them. Frankly, in this case your looking in from the outside. And If Coach K has been at any of our games, he must have done a pretty good job hiding as ive never seen him... not once. In fact, since my freshman year at your beloved institution, the only place ive seen coach k is at cover all bases with the rest of lamar's team and days the field was too wet to practice on. Regardless of any favortism, the only two players, both juniors going to be seniors, playing for your school this spring and playing for the Heat this summer were two of your best players this spring down the stretch in your final graspings of the playoffs. So please, choose your gripings more carefully next time.
quote:Originally posted by nchs19:
NOw to the issue I originally intended to address. I can speak for nearly all the Heat players as I play with many of them on the Heat and see the rest of them week in and week out as I work at cover all bases. THe ones I interact with are good kids and good ballplayers so i resent your less than complimentary implications of them. Frankly, in this case your looking in from the outside. And If Coach K has been at any of our games, he must have done a pretty good job hiding as ive never seen him... not once. In fact, since my freshman year at your beloved institution, the only place ive seen coach k is at cover all bases with the rest of lamar's team and days the field was too wet to practice on. Regardless of any favortism, the only two players, both juniors going to be seniors, playing for your school this spring and playing for the Heat this summer were two of your best players this spring down the stretch in your final graspings of the playoffs. So please, choose your gripings more carefully next time.
thank you for your advice, regardless of the number of posts or your false hope for lamar at the beginning of the season, i appreciate the advice regarding how to deal with lamar.
however, i take exception with a couple of the last statements. i did choose my griping carefully. the information i am basing this on comes from inside the dugout. where you there? did you see one of your beloved Heat players cuss the coach in front of the team? Did you see them joking about dipping in the dugout and the coach "acting" like he didn't know what they were doing? unless you were, please do not insinuate that you know.
aren't there 4 heat juniors on lamar, one being a recent transfer. one of these i believe you said would be our #2 pitcher. what happened there? also, as far as them being our best players down the stretch, i think that is a matter of opinion. its hard to tell without stats, which lamar will not publish. could be, as many believe, that it is because the books are cooked by the moms.
funneldrill is a great coach... I've heard from a "source" of mine who plays for him. The enthusiasm he had when talking about HS baseball this year compared to the past year or two was a night and day difference. I can't tell you the coach at my HS is doing as much, but there is definately an opportunity there. At my HS, there is an emphasis (academics and athletics) on being a strong individual... if you want something go get it. Whether he has this mentality or not, when I approached him about helping me out with college stuff, he was more than willing. He's filled out many questionaires and I have no idea if he's talked to college coaches on the phone or via e-mail, but I'm sure he would. A lot of kids/spectators/parents don't give him a lot of credit... I have been very critical at times, but he's more than willing to talk. All it takes is enough courage to approach him. It's not the coach's job to recruit his players... as a baseball player in high school, I feel we're old enough to recruit ourselves. It takes recruiting yourself to get results, unless you're an unbelievable talent.
funneldrill- I hope you stop by a couple of our games. My teammate who we've discussed before is going to a pretty dang good pitching coach and sounds excited for summer and next year HS.
funneldrill- I hope you stop by a couple of our games. My teammate who we've discussed before is going to a pretty dang good pitching coach and sounds excited for summer and next year HS.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nchs19:
In fact, since my freshman year at your beloved institution, the only place ive seen coach k is at cover all bases with the rest of lamar's team and days the field was too wet to practice on.
First of all it is not my "beloved institution". it is a school we are stuck with because my son did not want to move out of the district. i tried.
secondly, i'm well aware of the practice sessions at Cover All Bases. The last one my son attended he has several hundred $'s worth of equipment stolen. no one seemed real interested in helping him. if it were Heat players i think things would have been handled differently.
In fact, since my freshman year at your beloved institution, the only place ive seen coach k is at cover all bases with the rest of lamar's team and days the field was too wet to practice on.
First of all it is not my "beloved institution". it is a school we are stuck with because my son did not want to move out of the district. i tried.
secondly, i'm well aware of the practice sessions at Cover All Bases. The last one my son attended he has several hundred $'s worth of equipment stolen. no one seemed real interested in helping him. if it were Heat players i think things would have been handled differently.
quote:Originally posted by Dtiger:
funneldrill is a great coach... I've heard from a "source" of mine who plays for him. The enthusiasm he had when talking about HS baseball this year compared to the past year or two was a night and day difference. I can't tell you the coach at my HS is doing as much, but there is definately an opportunity there. At my HS, there is an emphasis (academics and athletics) on being a strong individual... if you want something go get it. Whether he has this mentality or not, when I approached him about helping me out with college stuff, he was more than willing. He's filled out many questionaires and I have no idea if he's talked to college coaches on the phone or via e-mail, but I'm sure he would. A lot of kids/spectators/parents don't give him a lot of credit... I have been very critical at times, but he's more than willing to talk. All it takes is enough courage to approach him. It's not the coach's job to recruit his players... as a baseball player in high school, I feel we're old enough to recruit ourselves. It takes recruiting yourself to get results, unless you're an unbelievable talent.
funneldrill- I hope you stop by a couple of our games. My teammate who we've discussed before is going to a pretty dang good pitching coach and sounds excited for summer and next year HS.
I was counting on him to be our #1 this year. Unfortunately, his shoulder started hurting him around week 2 of the season so we limited him...first to just DHing, then back to 3B. Sure, I could have thrown him more the last two weeks, when we really needed him. But I don't think his arm was ready for all that. Throwing bullpens is one thing, throwing with a playoff spot on the line is something else.
This makes me realize even more so, how incredible this season was. We did all this with, in my opinion, our best or one of our best arms not in the rotation.
You guys have to help me get his bat going. He is a tremendous hitter, but just could not get in a groove this year.
I will be out this summer, I have the schedule.
When I've talked to him the feeling of both him and me was similar. We were both, understandably, putting a lot of pressure on ourselves to perform and that hurt us a little bit. As for me, when I did hit it solid, it seemed to be right at someone. Summer ball should take some of that pressure off, given the hitters around us in the lineup.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by funneldrill:
This makes me realize even more so, how incredible this season was. We did all this with, in my opinion, our best or one of our best arms not in the rotation.[QUOTE]
Sounds like a similar situation elsewhere. I can second dtiger on his saying that he seemed to hit it right to them. I can count about 5 or so hard hit balls either right to the centerfielder or to the left or right that could easily be doubles with 20 or 30 more feet to the left or right...and that's just from the second half of district play.
This makes me realize even more so, how incredible this season was. We did all this with, in my opinion, our best or one of our best arms not in the rotation.[QUOTE]
Sounds like a similar situation elsewhere. I can second dtiger on his saying that he seemed to hit it right to them. I can count about 5 or so hard hit balls either right to the centerfielder or to the left or right that could easily be doubles with 20 or 30 more feet to the left or right...and that's just from the second half of district play.
Screwball, without getting into any details, let's just say I feel your pain!! After two horrendous years with this coach, my son still loves the game and didn't let circumstances get him down. Thankfully, we will be getting a new head coach next year, and at least some hope that little by little, we can start turning our program around and play competitive baseball. Hang in there.
thanks,
please understand that we fully realize that HS baseball is only a small fraction of his baseball life and in fact, the serious baseball is played during the summer and fall. it is frustrating to watch each year a HS program that does more harm than good.
please understand that we fully realize that HS baseball is only a small fraction of his baseball life and in fact, the serious baseball is played during the summer and fall. it is frustrating to watch each year a HS program that does more harm than good.
quote:Originally posted by screwball:
thanks,
please understand that we fully realize that HS baseball is only a small fraction of his baseball life and in fact, the serious baseball is played during the summer and fall. it is frustrating to watch each year a HS program that does more harm than good.
I agree completely, but it's sad that the serious baseball HAS to be in the summer. High school is all about the team. The team wins, the team loses. In summer, it's more about getting yourself "out there" for colleges and scouts to see... more individual. The team can be horrible and yet one kid can "win". Although I realize this is unlikely, it's an extreme which is possible. I really wish that I could say I looked forward to playing HS ball because my TEAM had a chance to win a lot. Unfortunately I usually have to get winning and "being seen" out of the way in the summer.
OK, this stuff about the "serious" baseball is played during the summer, really bothers me. Serious for who???
Baseball is a team game...period. Sure, there are individual battles, but it is a team game. Those of you out there putting all those college scholarship eggs in those baskets are in for a rude awakening when and if you get to college baseball. You think communication is bad with HS coaches!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You get on the wrong side of that college coach and you'll get released from that scholarship so fast it will make your head spin like a David Cone slider!!!
If I could hold tryouts for my high school team and invite all the best players from North Texas to attend...yeah...I bet that I can put together a pretty nice "all-star" team and WWWWWWWIIIIIIIINNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!! Not much coaching, not much strategy (bunting, squeezing, hit and run) needed.
Nope, I coach high school baseball, so I have to coach what I see in front of me. I can't go out and recruit this kid or that kid. I just coach the kids that are in my attendance zone.
REMEMBER, I DON'T BREED 'EM, I JUST COACH 'EM!!! Sometimes we forget this important fact. It is this kind of mentality that is ruining HS baseball.
Now, having said that, I think select baseball in the summer and fall is great for the kids. The exposure they get is light years better than what we had when I was in HS 20 years ago. Not all HS coaches help their players get to college. I am sorry for those that have to deal with this. Not all HS coaches are "baseball" guys, sorry for those that have to deal with this. Not all HS coaches are effective communicators, sorry for those that have to deal with this.
Most of all, I am sorry that not everyone can make the playoffs. I am sorry that we can not give everyone a chance to play in the playoffs...well, didn't make the playoffs in this division...that's OK, we can go make the playoffs in that division. How many World Series are there in the summer, I have lost count?
Sorry to get on my soap box. If HS baseball is so bad in your area then I have 2 suggestions. Research where the good HS baseball is and move there. Or, don't play HS baseball, just play the serious stuff in the summer and fall and let's see how that works out.
Hmmmm, I wonder what that College coach will think of that?
Baseball is a team game...period. Sure, there are individual battles, but it is a team game. Those of you out there putting all those college scholarship eggs in those baskets are in for a rude awakening when and if you get to college baseball. You think communication is bad with HS coaches!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You get on the wrong side of that college coach and you'll get released from that scholarship so fast it will make your head spin like a David Cone slider!!!
If I could hold tryouts for my high school team and invite all the best players from North Texas to attend...yeah...I bet that I can put together a pretty nice "all-star" team and WWWWWWWIIIIIIIINNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!! Not much coaching, not much strategy (bunting, squeezing, hit and run) needed.
Nope, I coach high school baseball, so I have to coach what I see in front of me. I can't go out and recruit this kid or that kid. I just coach the kids that are in my attendance zone.
REMEMBER, I DON'T BREED 'EM, I JUST COACH 'EM!!! Sometimes we forget this important fact. It is this kind of mentality that is ruining HS baseball.
Now, having said that, I think select baseball in the summer and fall is great for the kids. The exposure they get is light years better than what we had when I was in HS 20 years ago. Not all HS coaches help their players get to college. I am sorry for those that have to deal with this. Not all HS coaches are "baseball" guys, sorry for those that have to deal with this. Not all HS coaches are effective communicators, sorry for those that have to deal with this.
Most of all, I am sorry that not everyone can make the playoffs. I am sorry that we can not give everyone a chance to play in the playoffs...well, didn't make the playoffs in this division...that's OK, we can go make the playoffs in that division. How many World Series are there in the summer, I have lost count?
Sorry to get on my soap box. If HS baseball is so bad in your area then I have 2 suggestions. Research where the good HS baseball is and move there. Or, don't play HS baseball, just play the serious stuff in the summer and fall and let's see how that works out.
Hmmmm, I wonder what that College coach will think of that?
Oh, and if you don't think HS baseball is serious, then you have never been around me!
FD- Please understand that I completely agree with you and that your mentality is how I want it to be... and in ways it is for me... but sometimes I feel like I'm the only player taking it that seriously. Does that make sense? The attitude of the "team" in high school is SO different than in summer. I want the attitude of my high school to be that of my summer team. I don't really blame the coach, but I do know having a coach as enthusiastic, as hands on, as talented as yourself, it could be a different story. Once again, I don't have a problem with my coach really. I've grown a lot in "understanding" him this year, but this enthusiastic attitude just isn't in place everywhere. I wish it was!!
And I'd like to make clear, it isn't all about winning as my previous post may have made it seem like... it's the way a kid plays the game and the effort put into it outside of regular practices. Those "extras" that my summer team teammates seem to do are not as frequently don't by some of my high school teammates. Like I said, it's the attitude, the atmosphere, the passion.
And I'd like to make clear, it isn't all about winning as my previous post may have made it seem like... it's the way a kid plays the game and the effort put into it outside of regular practices. Those "extras" that my summer team teammates seem to do are not as frequently don't by some of my high school teammates. Like I said, it's the attitude, the atmosphere, the passion.
funneldrill,
we will start our house search soon! from what i've heard about you, and read from you, i would love for my son to be around you. HOWEVER, he is not. For those of us less fortunate, please explain how being on a HS team such as i've already described helps the kid. I know, it teaches him to deal with bad situations, builds character, etc.... However, would a steady routine of hitting, fielding, conditioning, sprints, etc. during the HS season and playing in the summer and fall be worse?
we will start our house search soon! from what i've heard about you, and read from you, i would love for my son to be around you. HOWEVER, he is not. For those of us less fortunate, please explain how being on a HS team such as i've already described helps the kid. I know, it teaches him to deal with bad situations, builds character, etc.... However, would a steady routine of hitting, fielding, conditioning, sprints, etc. during the HS season and playing in the summer and fall be worse?
quote:Originally posted by Dtiger:
funneldrill is a great coach... I've heard from a "source" of mine who plays for him. The enthusiasm he had when talking about HS baseball this year compared to the past year or two was a night and day difference. I can't tell you the coach at my HS is doing as much, but there is definately an opportunity there. At my HS, there is an emphasis (academics and athletics) on being a strong individual... if you want something go get it. Whether he has this mentality or not, when I approached him about helping me out with college stuff, he was more than willing. He's filled out many questionaires and I have no idea if he's talked to college coaches on the phone or via e-mail, but I'm sure he would. A lot of kids/spectators/parents don't give him a lot of credit... I have been very critical at times, but he's more than willing to talk. All it takes is enough courage to approach him. It's not the coach's job to recruit his players... as a baseball player in high school, I feel we're old enough to recruit ourselves. It takes recruiting yourself to get results, unless you're an unbelievable talent.
This should be posted front and center of this website.
DTiger, you have a very bright future ahead of you and I say this without having he opportunity to meet you.
From the way you write and the opinions you share, obviously your parents and the people in your life have put you on the right track for success.
Follow the exact words in your post and I believe you will find success in anything you chose to do.
Not to be cruel in any way... but I find it humorous how you can "stir" things up with almost anyone, and then be nice to me... maybe I am special?
If you ever want a chance to meet, ask KCR when my next hitting lesson is... Lord knows I need more of 'em!
If you ever want a chance to meet, ask KCR when my next hitting lesson is... Lord knows I need more of 'em!
I'm puzzled as well, DTiger. But congratulations on a good season. See you this summer.
But congratulations on a good season. See you this summer.