Fair or Foul?

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Originally posted by Coach_Dave:
Pop up about 15 feet from home plate down third base line. Catcher is standing in foul territory and it hits his glove ball lands fair. also does it make a difference if it looks like the ball was going to hit inside the chalk line with or without the hit off the catchers glove?

All that matters is where the ball was when first touched. If entirely over foul territory, it's foul. If any part of it over fair territory, it's fair.

As Matt says, we dertermine fair/foul by the position of the ball, the position of the fielder is irrelevant.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
As Matt says, we dertermine fair/foul by the position of the ball, the position of the fielder is irrelevant.

So its a judement call on if you think the ball would have landed fair or foul?

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Originally posted by Coach_Dave:

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
As Matt says, we dertermine fair/foul by the position of the ball, the position of the fielder is irrelevant.

So its a judement call on if you think the ball would have landed fair or foul?

No, it's the geographic position of the ball at the time of contact with the fielder. Fielder can be standing in foul with glove in fair, or fielder can be standing in fair with glove in foul. The only question is where was the ball?

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Originally posted by Coach_Dave:

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
As Matt says, we dertermine fair/foul by the position of the ball, the position of the fielder is irrelevant.

So its a judement call on if you think the ball would have landed fair or foul?

No, where we think it may have landed has no bearing. Where the ball "is" when it's touched.

Was the ball over fair or foul territory when it was first touched? This is what determines fair or foul.

I see now. it was foul when it was touched.

Does it matter if the ball is in the outfield?

Basically does the same rule apply?

nothing basically about it,,,,the rule is the same...

There is foul territory and there is fair territory...if a ball is in fair when touched its fair...if its over foul territory when touched its foul....

regardless of where that fair/foul territory is....(infield /outfield)

do you have a the rule number handy?

In OBR, Foul and Fair balls are defined in Rule2-- Definitions.

IN FED, Foul ball is defined in 2-16, while Fair ball is defined under 2-5 (titled Base Hit)

All rule sets have the same definitions.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
In OBR, Foul and Fair balls are defined in Rule2-- Definitions.

IN FED, Foul ball is defined in 2-16, while Fair ball is defined under 2-5 (titled Base Hit)

All rule sets have the same definitions.

Thank you

Thought I better throw it out, there is an exception; batter hits one off his front foot that's in fair. So CD and tf, don't ever try and apply this to a batter that hits himself, it's always gonna be foul.

And you blues, that just gave me a chill;
squeeze, great jump, F3 slides about 2' from the box all over the FL. B bunts it straigt down into F3's shin a foot from HP.
There's a FF call you'd work for, talk about a hot little spot that'd be. 4 legs/feet/arms, a bat, dust flying, the ball, mask flying, back of F2's head, two arms and a glove, all in the B Box. Yeah, now there's a blues diving catch.

Coaches never squeeze with your fastest runner at 3B and real slow lefty in the wind up..

But if you ever should, just remember, blues work on these things and will get it right.

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
nothing basically about it,,,,the rule is the same...

There is foul territory and there is fair territory...if a ball is in fair when touched its fair...if its over foul territory when touched its foul....

regardless of where that fair/foul territory is....(infield /outfield)

Thanks, that is what I thought. Had an umpire friend of mine tell me different and I told him he needed to reread the rule book.

What your friend may have been speaking to is this:

Prior to first base, fair/foul is determined by where the ball settles or is touched. In other words, it can hit the ground fair and roll out foul prior to the bag.

In the outfield, fair/foul is determined by where the ball touches the ground or fence first, or, absent touching, where it is touched. In other words in can land in fair territory and roll into foul, but remain fair.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
All rule sets have the same definitions.

Not exactly, but in OP's question, they're all the same.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
What your friend may have been speaking to is this:

Prior to first base, fair/foul is determined by where the ball settles or is touched. In other words, it can hit the ground fair and roll out foul prior to the bag.

In the outfield, fair/foul is determined by where the ball touches the ground or fence first, or, absent touching, where it is touched. In other words in can land in fair territory and roll into foul, but remain fair.

He was clearly speaking of the feet of the outfielder determining fair or foul. He is a rec league ump and isn't involved any higher than that.

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Originally posted by tfox:
He is a rec league ump and isn't involved any higher than that.

That seems appropriate at this time.