A group of us were discussin a play and there was a difference in opinion. The batter hits a pop foul, straight up. Drops the bat where it comes to rest completely in foul territory. The catcher loses the foul and the ball drops, hits the bat and rolls into fair territory. I said.. foul ball, dead immediately. Others said that since the bat was not intentionally thrown at the ball it is part of the field. Looking at 5.1.d.1, the ball becomes dead immediately when a fould ball touches any object other than the ground or any person other than a fielder. Is the bat considered part of the ground in this scenario?
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The catcher never touches the ballin fair or foul
Obviously I'm no expert but since the hands aren't part of the bat in terms of being hit by a pitch then I couldn't see how the bat would be part of the ground.
Foul ball
Assuming it was never touched by the catcher, it is foul when it hits the bat.
Dead ball! Same as if the ball touches the player (or vice versa) when they are in foul territory.
A group of us were discussin a play and there was a difference in opinion. The batter hits a pop foul, straight up. Drops the bat where it comes to rest completely in foul territory. The catcher loses the foul and the ball drops, hits the bat and rolls into fair territory. I said.. foul ball, dead immediately. Others said that since the bat was not intentionally thrown at the ball it is part of the field. Looking at 5.1.d.1, the ball becomes dead immediately when a fould ball touches any object other than the ground or any person other than a fielder. Is the bat considered part of the ground in this scenario?
Don't overthink this. The ground is the ground. Anything else is not the ground.
Also remember that conversely, a batted ball that hits an object in fair territory still has status to be determined. If a ball hits a bat in fair territory, and rolls foul before reaching first or third, it is foul.