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Bolts-Coach-PRBolts-Coach-PR10,000+ posts
- 2016
- 5'10" 170lb
- Bat is a 2012 Rawlings Plasma BBCOR 33/30

Been working with his coach recently on getting his left/back hip through the ball more... Has had MLB and Div-1 instruction over the years...

I'll try to get some game footage, but it's hard when coaching at 3B!

Sorry for the krappy phone video... It's funny how it 'bends' the bat in some frames...

Anyway, looking for feedback and 'fresh-eyes' for myself... Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axsfh3AKTn8
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C cabbagedadHSBaseballWeb member since 2011
For a 2016, lot's of good going on. I'll focus on just one aspect...

You mention that he is working on getting his back hip through the ball more. IMO, one thing keeping him from doing so is that his back foot is flared slightly open (toward the catcher) instead of square (pointing straight across home plate). If he squares that back foot up and gets the weight more on the inside of that foot (ball and instep area), this will keep his weight more stacked (won't shift out all the way onto or beyond the back knee)and will allow the hips to fire through much easier. When he does this, he may feel like he is even pinching the back knee in slightly. That's OK. Some do, some don't.

To get the feel of what he is trying to accomplish with this, have him exaggerate the back foot flare back toward the umpire and try to swing. He will feel how much his hips lock and totally prevent rotation. Then, have him cheat with the back foot the other way - pigeon-toed inward and the back knee pinched inward and swing. His hips will fire freely.

Kind of wordy... does this make sense?
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Low FinishLow Finish500+ posts
It seems like I keep repeating myself...

Very "arm-y", poor use of hands, severe bat drag in that bat never blurs.

Mild case of what some call bat drag "elbow in front of hands"

Two hipped rotation rather than 1 hip "up and through thrust"

Hits from a "dead start", I would read up on "Tip n' Rip" on this site and on others.

Weight beyond inside of back foot. Weight shouldn't go beyond inside of rear foot.

However... He is better than most 8th graders, and I see no reason why his swing shouldn't work in high school if he fixes a few things.
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TP The Pitching Academy100+ posts
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Better!

Eliminate that "sway" onto the rear leg...


I do like this advice. It's just an extra move that is unnecessary and can decrease timing. Especially when your son begins to face quicker pitching. Getting his load within his stride is something that should be a focus with the lower half.

See how Votto's core stays stable as his back knee cushions the load? This is what we're talking about.

Nate
W wogdoggy500+ posts
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Originally posted by The Pitching Academy:
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Better!

Eliminate that "sway" onto the rear leg...


I do like this advice. It's just an extra move that is unnecessary and can decrease timing. Especially when your son begins to face quicker pitching. Getting his load within his stride is something that should be a focus with the lower half.

See how Votto's core stays stable as his back knee cushions the load? This is what we're talking about.

Nate


the kid is smooth for a 2016.I agree..square up that back foot and keep that weight pressed on the inside of that rear foot.keep the stack.kid has fast hands
Bolts-Coach-PRBolts-Coach-PR10,000+ posts
That video was taken in a 70-75 MPH cage, from around 35-40 feet away. The "reaction-time" needed is probably around 85+ MPH from 60 feet to hit consistently... He squares up a lot, almost every ball actually.

He has quite a bit of power, he's hit 3 Home Runs this fall and maybe 15 Doubles/Triples that have come close on the High School fields we play on now. We haven't seen another kid (using BBCOR, like he does) sniff the warning track in around 30 or so games...

Thanks for all the insight.
S swingbuilder100+ posts
Understanding how to use a negative move (back away from ball)to get ready to swing is difficult and often done incorrectly.

Understanding how to utilize a negative move while going towards the ball is very important to development.

Sway is a form of a negative move away from the ball. As long as the hips have not been engaged. The hips should only be activated as a hitter moves towards the ball and that engagement should be in a coiling fashion. For this hitter, counter clockwise.



Hamilton moves back "to get ready" but he does not do so with his hips engaged in a coiling twisting fashion. He engages his hips to go forward. But he does so in a counter clockwise direction called coiling. Coiling is a negative move because the coiling is what keeps a hitter back even while he is moving forward.

What this 2016 hitter needs to learn is how to use his negative move correctly so that he can get into the correct sequence. Once in the correct sequence he can progress much more quickly.

Striding 1st or reaching forward with the stride foot 1st is not the correct start to a good swing.

Keeping the weight back over the rear leg is not how good hitters stay back.
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W wogdoggy500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by swingbuilder:
Understanding how to use a negative move (back away from ball)to get ready to swing is difficult and often done incorrectly.

Understanding how to utilize a negative move while going towards the ball is very important to development.

Sway is a form of a negative move away from the ball. As long as the hips have not been engaged. The hips should only be activated as a hitter moves towards the ball and that engagement should be in a coiling fashion. For this hitter, counter clockwise.



Hamilton moves back "to get ready" but he does not do so with his hips engaged in a coiling twisting fashion. He engages his hips to go forward. But he does so in a counter clockwise direction called coiling. Coiling is a negative move because the coiling is what keeps a hitter back even while he is moving forward.

What this 2016 hitter needs to learn is how to use his negative move correctly so that he can get into the correct sequence. Once in the correct sequence he can progress much more quickly.

Striding 1st or reaching forward with the stride foot 1st is not the correct start to a good swing.

Keeping the weight back over the rear leg is not how good hitters stay back.


hey swing I heard the hands JUST hold on to the bat..LOL..
Low FinishLow Finish500+ posts
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
quote:
Originally posted by swingbuilder:
Understanding how to use a negative move (back away from ball)to get ready to swing is difficult and often done incorrectly.

Understanding how to utilize a negative move while going towards the ball is very important to development.

Sway is a form of a negative move away from the ball. As long as the hips have not been engaged. The hips should only be activated as a hitter moves towards the ball and that engagement should be in a coiling fashion. For this hitter, counter clockwise.



Hamilton moves back "to get ready" but he does not do so with his hips engaged in a coiling twisting fashion. He engages his hips to go forward. But he does so in a counter clockwise direction called coiling. Coiling is a negative move because the coiling is what keeps a hitter back even while he is moving forward.

What this 2016 hitter needs to learn is how to use his negative move correctly so that he can get into the correct sequence. Once in the correct sequence he can progress much more quickly.

Striding 1st or reaching forward with the stride foot 1st is not the correct start to a good swing.

Keeping the weight back over the rear leg is not how good hitters stay back.


hey swing I heard the hands JUST hold on to the bat..LOL..


Shhhhh.... Wog, you're going to wake some people up.

The hands have tremendous value. You cannot swing even remotely in the MLB sequence without using the hands. It can't be done. They do not provide a massive amount of power by themselves, but the additional power that they provide is the difference between "swing and miss" and a 400 foot home run.

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