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First off, I do not want to start long, drawn out (This guru is better than this guru etc) so if you disagree with what I post...just say you disagree.

Anyway, there is a local indoor facility that my son and I use, and many times my team during Winter sessions. So we go up there the other night to hit.

We're in the cage hitting and the cage next to me is an older guy working with a younger kid. I hear several cues (hips, rotation, some other things) and I was actually surprised. I just haven't heard it much in my experience, at least around here. I'm sure there are GOOD instructors around here, I'm just saying from my experience.

So I overhear a conversation where on guy is telling another guy the following:

"...now with the BBCOR bats, you can't depend on your hands to hit the ball. Now you have to use your hips and your body to generate the power."

Really? The BBCOR bats caused this? LOL.

I just had to share.
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Originally posted by ctandc:
First off, I do not want to start long, drawn out (This guru is better than this guru etc) so if you disagree with what I post...just say you disagree.

Anyway, there is a local indoor facility that my son and I use, and many times my team during Winter sessions. So we go up there the other night to hit.

We're in the cage hitting and the cage next to me is an older guy working with a younger kid. I hear several cues (hips, rotation, some other things) and I was actually surprised. I just haven't heard it much in my experience, at least around here. I'm sure there are GOOD instructors around here, I'm just saying from my experience.

So I overhear a conversation where on guy is telling another guy the following:

"...now with the BBCOR bats, you can't depend on your hands to hit the ball. Now you have to use your hips and your body to generate the power."

Really? The BBCOR bats caused this? LOL.

I just had to share.


u always depend on your hands and hips to generate batspeed..its the arm and chest swingers that lose now..lol
quote:
Originally posted by ctandc:
First off, I do not want to start long, drawn out (This guru is better than this guru etc) so if you disagree with what I post...just say you disagree.

Anyway, there is a local indoor facility that my son and I use, and many times my team during Winter sessions. So we go up there the other night to hit.

We're in the cage hitting and the cage next to me is an older guy working with a younger kid. I hear several cues (hips, rotation, some other things) and I was actually surprised. I just haven't heard it much in my experience, at least around here. I'm sure there are GOOD instructors around here, I'm just saying from my experience.

So I overhear a conversation where on guy is telling another guy the following:

"...now with the BBCOR bats, you can't depend on your hands to hit the ball. Now you have to use your hips and your body to generate the power."

Really? The BBCOR bats caused this? LOL.

I just had to share.


I have ended my self-imposed ban to respond to this topic. I'm going to try to stay off of the Hitting forum from now on, mainly because I don't need the personal nonsense.

BESR allowed you to hit with your arms, and your arms alone. It's why certain non-MLB patterns became so popular. Now that BBCOR is the bat standard, you need to learn how to generate power using the hips and hands. To borrow from a banned member, there are two engines, the hips and the hands. You have to use both in order to have an MLB swing. You have to swing with your back through "Loading in the Unload" and you have to learn to coil, stretch, and separate.

The axis of rotation is still close to the spine, and the shoulders still resist rotation (but move forward eventually because of the contraction of the oblique muscles). However, I would be careful about telling your son to launch rearward. There is NO MLB player (past or present) that pulls back with the top hand.
Ill have to agree with Low Finish. BESR and other "non-standard" bats allowed the hitter to get away with a lot when it comes to hitting, whether you hit with arms, chest, etc.

As wogdoggy said, you always depend on hands and hips to generate bat speed. BBCOR and wood has no forgiveness in a poor swing. BBCOR didn't cause this... it just reemphasizes it.
LOL....You are right you have always needed hips. Being from the Sourthen Section of CA we already know the BBCOR is making it more apparent because we use them and waived BESR last year. Example, we had a player hit .340 his junior year and hit .520 with the Qualit AB charts we keep and he was, all league. His senior year aka BBCOR year and hit .250 with a QAB of .415, and no all league selection. Now what I told him all four year he was with me never changed and we really preach hips. You dads and coaches out there that are from school our side on section are in for a real treat. These bats really will seperate the men from the boys.
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Originally posted by Jimmy33:
The type of grip these kids have on the BBCOR bats is a key issue as well. Weak grips in the palms just doesn't cut it anymore.

http://www.TheBatJack.com (The Bat Jack Grip Trainer)


Grip is not so much of an issue, at least in my opinion. Just keep the bat out of the palms and you'll be all right. There are 3 grips that MLB hitters use:

1. Knocking knuckles aligned (Pujols, Ichiro)
2. Knocking knuckles bisecting the large and knocking knuckles (Williams, Ruth, Bonds)
3. Knocking knuckles aligned with big knuckles (Ruth)

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