quote:Originally posted by banditsbb:
when throwing from flat ground in gym and in tennis shoes with no rubber that fast ball velocity is usually about three miles per hour slower then off of a mound in cleats.
. I infact have been gunned off the mound in a game earlier this year (about end of march, dont rememer exact day) and it was only 2-3MPH higher at the most (85).quote:Originally posted by Andrew:
itrogas44,
Having been throwing on my driveway into a net for as long as I can remember, and recently starting to gun myself a good amount of times that I do (albeit with a JUGS and not a Stalker), I highly doubt that there is that much difference. I throw lowish 80's (82-83) on the driveway, and I feel like were I a sophmore touching 90 or near it, I would know about it
Just curious as to what leads you to believe in a 5-10MPH difference.
TPM posted:quote:Originally posted by Andrew:
Bobblehead, I would be very curious, as a pitcher gets clocked on flat ground until the season, as to what your findings are for the difference between on flat ground and on a mound. I understand that it varies from pitcher to pitcher, but I would be interested in what your findings are.
I was curious about this post, asked son, he has NEVER been clocked on flat ground. He asked, why? What is the purpose?
Found this in the archives from 2007.
Long story short, son is doing year abroad in one of those "soccer countries." Baseball facilities are nil, and he is relegated to throwing flat ground bullpens against fences. I bought him a Pocket Radar and a tripod to take with. He was curious about how his flat ground velo will translate to the mound. Flat grounds are all he has to work with so that is why he has clocked himself off flat ground not mounds. Not many mounds in Europe I guess? I typed it in the search bar above and found this informative thread.
Now some 9 years later wondering if anyone else can add hardcore data to the thread. My son would appreciate it.
Just wanted to give this a bump before I went to bed.
Any West Coasters out there with any thoughts?
We throw flat ground to work on mechanics, conditioning, and spots. Our younger kids will throw a 3-1-3 (3 fastball spots in a row, 1 change up spot, and 3 knuckle palm spots in a row) our older boys throw a 5-3-5 usually. We do gun guys off flat ground early on just to see where they are at, but we've never done it from flat ground and the mound in the same day. Typically our flat ground work is 3-4 mph slower than the mound.
I will say I believe throwing spots from flat ground is great for pitchers. We do it a lot since it is less stressful on the elbow. When you have 4-5 guys on a middle school team that can throw an 80mph inside fastball spot and can locate a knuckle palm away it makes it a lot easier to call pitches!
4-5 guys throwing 80mph? All on one middle school team? I know it happens (80mph and up), but I also know how rare it is with that age group.
I was generalizing a little but yes. We have 4 guys that cruise from 78 to 82. Very talented bunch. We went undefeated and just won the county middle school championship last night. Our number 2 guy pitched a complete game with 14 Ks, 1 walk and 1 hit. And the hit was a 2 strike blooper to RF we just missed. Fun group to coach for sure! We have 2 sophomores on our varsity cruising at 89 with good control and poise. When they are seniors these 8th graders will be sophomores. Good Lord willing we will have a good shot at making a run in the playoffs that year. We'll see I guess.
Congrats PW!
Thanks for your input. Will pass along to son.
You maybe interested in the World of Japanese HS Baseball. Our Goodwill Series/Japan was played for 17 years and the experience was "outstanding".
1. All mounds pro or college or HS are relative flat.
2. The tournament in Koshien for have drawn 40,000 per game and 40 million on TV. When Davish
was pitching I interviewed the Japanese scouts and 2 American scouts.
Bob
