FLower Mound - Nike red bat

Woody, What is amazing to me is people posting on here just to bash FM. You guys need to make sure you know what your talking about before you post. You are making aquisitiions that you dont know are true or not. The bat you are questioning, Nike Fuse, was checked by the coaches on the opposing team. He had no problems with it. It is labeled BBCORE .50. It is listed on the legal bat list on NFHS.ORG. You know as well as I that umpires will be looking at bats before each game.
You should probably spend a little more time worring about how your raising you kids and a little less about others.

bball4, I think you mean accusations not aquisitions. At least I think thats what you mean.

I agree with Woody.....I heard from several parents that during a recent practice at FM the bat in question was struck by lightning and when the smoke cleared the word "wonderboy" had been burned into the barrel.....Woody your an idiot

Thanks luvtxball. I did mean accusations. I meant BBCOR also.

Bball4

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....legal bat list on NFHS.ORG. You know as well as I that umpires will be looking at bats before each game. You should probably...

Just to clarify, umpires no longer check "hats and bats" before the games, that is now the responsibility of the coach to assure his/her players are properly equipped within the rules. Though we are suppose to check if asked but not the opposing teams only his team.

I happen to coach the young man that first got his hands on the bat during last summer. The bat is legal and no the bat was not stolen it was given up by OU's catcher who was going on to play pro baseball. Yes does flower mound have the only red one in high school baseball yes as far as I know because Nike came out and said they were not going to make the red nike fuse bbcor.50 available to high school kids right after the college world series of last year. I would not blame the kids heck parents are taking there sons bats and getting the roled and shaved and we all know thats not legal.

What model Nike Red Fuse are we talking about?

I'm not saying the bat is legal or illegal. Rolled or Not rolled. All i'm going to say, is that it is a lot more common then people think.

2 years ago, in the college world series, there were over 20 illegal bats found that had been tampered with. 20 out of the 25 checked had been tampered with. They pop the caps off and roll the inside. It is a huge problem, and people are naive to think otherwise.

These BBCOR bats are supposed to have 25% less bat exit speed, and when some of these high school kids hit a bunch of HRs it makes you wonder and I'll even go as far as saying when it looks to good to be true, then it probably is.

I am just saying this I have had that bat in my hands seen that exact bat in action and yes it sounds different and yes if I coached against that bat I would question it also. I remeber having a friend of mine call me last spring while he was watching tech play OU and he said they are swing different bats they sound different so this is not the first of this conversation.

There were a lot of home runs hit all weekend . Not just by this one team . These fences were 300 down the lines and about 350 dead center with a nice wind. There were alot of HR all over the metoplex as well. Everyone relax, laugh a little, hug your kid, and go watch him play ball.

how bout you quit worrying about kids hitting the ball and hitting homeruns do to hard work. and worry about your kid getting better so he can someday hit a homerun. its only highschool baseball just cause a kid hits a homerun doesnt mean the bat is illegal.. i know some kids hit multiple homeruns in their first game using other bats..
its not the arrow but the indian... you idiot

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Originally posted by ozarkapurespring1905:
how bout you quit worrying about kids hitting the ball and hitting homeruns do to hard work. and worry about your kid getting better so he can someday hit a homerun. its only highschool baseball just cause a kid hits a homerun doesnt mean the bat is illegal.. i know some kids hit multiple homeruns in their first game using other bats..
its not the arrow but the indian... you idiot

You may want to read the rules of this board before you start calling people names.

I apologize, just worked up

What could be the potential liability for a team or player that does doctor their bats to gain an advantage and someone on defense get hurt? What if a pitcher gets hit on the mound by the ball by a team using an illegal bat?

I could find a few lawyers in town that would love to take this case on. I could see a huge lawsuit against the school district, coaches, players and parents as well. I would recommend that every parent or coach who knows that their son or team is playing with a doctored or illegal bat consider the consequences. Unfortunately in our society too many parents and HS coaches who are set on winning at all cost don’t consider the consequences of their actions at all.

Let’s hope and pray that no one gets hurt on the field.

Are you calling me an idiot? Cause I can tell you the whole story of that bat and name names and I do not think you want that out there.

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Originally posted by Pro Source Dad:
What could be the potential liability for a team or player that does doctor their bats to gain an advantage and someone on defense get hurt? What if a pitcher gets hit on the mound by the ball by a team using an illegal bat?

I could find a few lawyers in town that would love to take this case on. I could see a huge lawsuit against the school district, coaches, players and parents as well. I would recommend that every parent or coach who knows that their son or team is playing with a doctored or illegal bat consider the consequences. Unfortunately in our society too many parents and HS coaches who are set on winning at all cost don’t consider the consequences of their actions at all.

Let’s hope and pray that no one gets hurt on the
field.

REALLY!! A year ago we would have said wow... That kid/team had a great weekend. Now we're ready to convict.I'm not condoning illegal bats. I'm just saying we might not want to hold a trial yet.

I saw the red Nike Fuse used this weekend by a couple players on different teams without the grand results. It's is purely a coincidence.

Players that are strong and quick through the zone are still going to be able to hit the ball deep, its those cheap off the sweet spot ones that still went out of the ballpark are going to stay in now.

Also, witnessed a few umpires check upon players stepping into the batters box the Marucci Cat5 to make sure it was a 32/29.

This discussion reminds me of my sons select team playing this last summer against a team with a Red Nike bat. Every player 1 - 9 hit with it. We all talked about it possibly being a juiced bat just because the whole line up used it.

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Originally posted by Pro Source Dad:
What could be the potential liability for a team or player that does doctor their bats to gain an advantage and someone on defense get hurt? What if a pitcher gets hit on the mound by the ball by a team using an illegal bat?

I could find a few lawyers in town that would love to take this case on. I could see a huge lawsuit against the school district, coaches, players and parents as well. I would recommend that every parent or coach who knows that their son or team is playing with a doctored or illegal bat consider the consequences. Unfortunately in our society too many parents and HS coaches who are set on winning at all cost don’t consider the consequences of their actions at all.

Let’s hope and pray that no one gets hurt on the field.

Here you go.

Doctoring or Altering a Certified Bat is a Federal Crime
Many bat designs have been patented by manufacturers. Modifying the design of the bat, while passing if off as an original, is a violation of the manufacturer's patent and copyright. Furthermore, all bats approved for play in the ASA, USSSA, NSF, ISF, NCAA, Little League, or any other governing body bear a certification mark which means that a particular bat model has tested in a rigorous laboratory experiment in which its performance has been measured and found to fall below some set standard. These certification marks are federally registered trademarks, and altering a bat so that it exceeds the certified level of performance is considered a federal crime. Several manufacturers and governing bodies have been successfully filing and winning lawsuits against bat doctors for violation of trademark and patent rights. The ASA has recently been awarded two $100,000 judgements in lawsuits filed against individuals who illegally altered bats bearing certification stamps, and several other lawsuits are pending.

the bat is not doctored nor was it doctored and yes that team did use that bat and it was not one through nine cause hunter lockwood was using a 34/31 surge bbcor. It was given to a player by a college player like I said before. The bat is brock in it has been out for two years now. Nike according to my baseball express catolog just put the red nike fuse on the market just alittle bit ago.

I think the new yellow bat made by wiffle could be illegal. I just hit several out of my back yard on sunday and into the wind!!!

The wind...........darn it, didn't think of that. I thought it was the bat. I had the Children's Courtyard 2009 Ranger version.

makes you wonder after reading this.
It was on coachesaid.com

Nike is offering every college currently under contract to be let out of the commitment to use Nike baseball bats in the upcoming season.

Colleges using Nike bats did not have a team in the top 20 of home runs last season.

Southern Cal, Miami, Alabama, Georgia, and Kentucky all used the bats last year and had HUGE drops in offensive production. Teams using Nike bats had a 20% fewer homeruns and 44% lower slugging % than the NCAA average last year.

Miami Hurricanes avg 93 HR's per season from 2007-2010...but last season using Nike bats they only hit 33 homers.....a 65% reduction in their avg season.

The NCAA made a rule earlier this year that said college bats must perform more like wooden bats and Nike bats have missed the mark by a large margin. There was a drop in performance amoung all the bat makers to meet the new NCAA rule, but Nike's drop in performance was too great for them to hold teams to the contracts.

Nike has pulled all their NCAA certified bats and no longer sale them

Woody, how come you have posted since your first one...?

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
Bball4

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....legal bat list on NFHS.ORG. You know as well as I that umpires will be looking at bats before each game. You should probably...

Just to clarify, umpires no longer check "hats and bats" before the games, that is now the responsibility of the coach to assure his/her players are properly equipped within the rules. Though we are suppose to check if asked but not the opposing teams only his team.

So we have brand new bat rules and no one enforcing them? It is left up to the individuals who would benefit from not abiding by the rules?

The only people this approach will hurt is the people who follow the rules.

So I have heard that bat is illegal today so let's see if all that hard offseason work gets paid off and the bombs keep flying or if it's a week ground ball hit kind of day

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Originally posted by Rbi's up the middle:
So I have heard that bat is illegal today so let's see if all that hard offseason work gets paid off and the bombs keep flying or if it's a week ground ball hit kind of day

I heard it was not made illegal...the kid threw it out himself to make a point. He went 3-4 in the 1st game today without it.

Wrong .. Get facts before you post!

That's wrong to RBI.. Marcos is correct

Bball 4 you can say what you but the coach through it out and yeah he went 3-4 with 2 weak infield hits spelled it correctly this time for you guys and 1 nice line drive to right. Now my question is where was all that power in the bottom of the 7th in the Rowelett game when he roled over to the second baseman with a runner on third.

Did get my facts correct and you need to work the games for your booster club not running to your car or laptop to post on hsbaseballweb.com

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Originally posted by what???:

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
Bball4

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....legal bat list on NFHS.ORG. You know as well as I that umpires will be looking at bats before each game. You should probably...

Just to clarify, umpires no longer check "hats and bats" before the games, that is now the responsibility of the coach to assure his/her players are properly equipped within the rules. Though we are suppose to check if asked but not the opposing teams only his team.

So we have brand new bat rules and no one enforcing them? It is left up to the individuals who would benefit from not abiding by the rules?

The only people this approach will hurt is the people who follow the rules.

Wrong... the coaches and schools are now responsible that their team is properly equipped... it was about time this was taken off the backs of the umpires... the liability should and always should have been with the coaches and schools and not with the umpires...

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Originally posted by Rbi's up the middle:
Did get my facts correct and you need to work the games for your booster club not running to your car or laptop to post on hsbaseballweb.com

I have an I-phone. I can do it from anywhere. ... Come see me

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Originally posted by Rbi's up the middle:
Bball 4 you can say what you but the coach through it out and yeah he went 3-4 with 2 weak infield hits spelled it correctly this time for you guys and 1 nice line drive to right. Now my question is where was all that power in the bottom of the 7th in the Rowelett game when he roled over to the second baseman with a runner on third.

That's whit is great about Flower Mound... It's a whole team not just a few individuals. The next guy gets it done...

WARNING....WARNING....WARNING....WARNING

RED NIKE BAT ALERT

My sources deep within the confines of the Flower Mound Press Box Mafia have informed me that the infamous "Red Nike Bat" lives....two nights ago the bat was transported in the dark of night to a local paint and body shop where it was painted white with exogrid graphics....brlliant move Flo MO....RBI be warned----"NEVER MESS WITH THE PRESS BOX MAFIA"you can't win.

So what your saying RBI, is thatis if he used the "illegal" bat then he would have a homer yesterday? And those ground balls would have been homeruns too?? Also, he went 5-8 3 line drives yesterday

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Originally posted by Bball4:
I have an I-phone. I can do it from anywhere. ... Come see me

That's what she said........


Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Originally posted by TedWilliams:

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Originally posted by Bball4:
I have an I-phone. I can do it from anywhere. ... Come see me

That's what she said........


Sorry, couldn't resist.

Maybe not my best choice of words. At least someone on here has a sense of humor.

I just watched Michigan State play A&M tonight.
M-State has one of the "coveted, banned, illegal, holy" Red Nike bats. I thought it was interesting to see that only one of their hitters chose to swing it. Everyone else swung different Nike bats. Believe me the ball was not coming off that red Nike bat any better than the guys using the other bats. (It was actually worse because the guy wasn't the best hitter.) This bat is not the excalibur of baseball bats. It does not give you super human hitting powers given solely by the baseball gods. It is just a bat, and it will only be as good as the player swinging it.