P.S. I love it KG.
See you in Austin this weekend P1 we are down there also.
P.S. I love it KG.
P.S. I love it KG.
quote:Originally posted by The Beast:
See you in Austin this weekend P1 we are down there also.
P.S. I love it KG.
Where are yall staying down there?
BTW, I was at the game in question as a neutral observer...I have no tie to either team. It was a thrird strike in the dirt, and the catcher was only following him out to tag. The batter's reaction, to take an angry swipe at the catcher's arm, was out of line. He was frustrated at the K, understandably, but should accept responsibility for his actions, not try to blame the catcher or opponent.
On the Goose/ARod comments...not so sure ARod would need to beware in the box next time up...he's one of those cowards that wears the body armour on his front elbow/arm. Guys like him and Bonds never have to fear the purpose pitch.
Incidentally, noticed a Team Kelly 15 yr old kid wearing the same armour. Absolute shame. Kid's probably a stud, but...ridiculous.
On the Goose/ARod comments...not so sure ARod would need to beware in the box next time up...he's one of those cowards that wears the body armour on his front elbow/arm. Guys like him and Bonds never have to fear the purpose pitch.
Incidentally, noticed a Team Kelly 15 yr old kid wearing the same armour. Absolute shame. Kid's probably a stud, but...ridiculous.
Wow - some folks here must have ears the size of mud flaps to "hear" all that they claim. I have above average hearing and even I did not hear Plano West's dugout calling our Game 2 pitcher "wetback" and "sombrero" throughout that game last weekend. He told me that it happened - but I did not hear it - so who knows.
1. Trash talk is rampant here on this forum - why do you think it is different on the field? These are males - and they are full of ego, testosterone, etc. It's what they do.
2. If you think your boy / team / crowd does not engage in it - you are only fooling yourself.
3. Whining is not attractive.
1. Trash talk is rampant here on this forum - why do you think it is different on the field? These are males - and they are full of ego, testosterone, etc. It's what they do.
2. If you think your boy / team / crowd does not engage in it - you are only fooling yourself.
3. Whining is not attractive.
quote:
Incidentally, noticed a Team Kelly 15 yr old kid wearing the same armour. Absolute shame. Kid's probably a stud, but...ridiculous.
I saw that too over the past weekend. I thought he kind of looked like a Conseco starter kit. He is a big ole boy for sure. He looks like he didn't need armour to protect him.
The only reason to ever wear something like that is to protect an injury.
I don't know I just drive the bus. Rumor has it we are over by St. Edwards. Can't wait to get to Matt's El Rancho for some We're leaving right after the game. 
P1, ChargerDad....do you think people said the same thing when batting helmets were introduced? (Could it be that they may be trying to prevent an injury?)
I'm not a big fan of them either, but let's not bash a kid for wearing one...if they wear them for safety reasons I'm okay with that.
I'm not a big fan of them either, but let's not bash a kid for wearing one...if they wear them for safety reasons I'm okay with that.
Take the armour off of Bonds and I bet he doesn't hit 600 HR's. He has no fear with that cast on.
quote:Originally posted by The Beast:
Take the armour off of Bonds and I bet he doesn't hit 600 HR's. He has no fear with that cast on.
Just when I start giving you guys the benefit of the doubt............
Bam.........someone says something like this.
I think they should put some kind of a helmet on pitchers and some kind of flak jacket. Heck even bullriders are wearing that stuff now.
I think they should switch to wood bats for HS.
KG, you know I'm right. Heck take some of your gear off when you were catching. You know you feel alot better with it on. 
quote:Originally posted by The Beast:
I don't know I just drive the bus. Rumor has it we are over by St. Edwards. Can't wait to get to Matt's El Rancho for some
We are not far from there either. North Austin Inn and Suites. We are not leaving until early in the AM. First game at 12:30 for us. IS there some website that has the complete schedule?
10-4 on the wood bats. But then alot of kids couldn't play. They wouldn't have that big sweet spot on the wood.
Our first game is at 12:00 at Westwood. I told you I just drive the bus. 
Beast - you have a PM
I know people who throw right, and bat left and wear the "armour" to protect their throwing elbow. Sounds smart to me.
And if one of those equals more home runs why doesn't everyone wear them?
And if one of those equals more home runs why doesn't everyone wear them?
This thread reminds me of many such incidents I have witnessed over the years. Kids can be funny at times and cruel at others.
A few years back we were playing in the CM Regional Qualifier and we were at bat. Breaking the silence in the middle of an inning our entire dugout starts singing the commercial theme for Academy Sporting Goods. Was rather odd...."Academy, sports and outdoors....the right stuff, the right price." One time and that was it.
After the game I learned the opposing pitcher had been arrested for shoplifting from said store.
A few years back we were playing in the CM Regional Qualifier and we were at bat. Breaking the silence in the middle of an inning our entire dugout starts singing the commercial theme for Academy Sporting Goods. Was rather odd...."Academy, sports and outdoors....the right stuff, the right price." One time and that was it.
After the game I learned the opposing pitcher had been arrested for shoplifting from said store.
quote:Originally posted by DBAT GM:
This thread reminds me of many such incidents I have witnessed over the years. Kids can be funny at times and cruel at others.
A few years back we were playing in the CM Regional Qualifier and we were at bat. Breaking the silence in the middle of an inning our entire dugout starts singing the commercial theme for Academy Sporting Goods. Was rather odd...."Academy, sports and outdoors....the right stuff, the right price." One time and that was it.
After the game I learned the opposing pitcher had been arrested for shoplifting from said store.
I also remember a game in which your team displayed some type of "monkey" techniques.
Coaches are ultimately responsible for all such actions and it's sad this part of the game is so common anymore.
My son is the opposite-he's a left-handed pitcher who bats right. He was told two years ago by a Mets scout to get an elbow guard on his arm if he continued to bat. His pitching coach at the college he'll be attending said the same thing. He was glad he had it on when he got beaned by Kyle Drabek in the arm last year but he still wound up with a nice bruise anyway. If the kid's a pitcher and bats the opposite, there's a reason he's wearing it and he's smart to do it, so don't belittle all kids who have them on.
Ah, the good old days! I think our 16s did that just to watch you go nuts across the field......quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
I also remember a game in which your team displayed some type of "monkey" techniques.
Coaches are ultimately responsible for all such actions and it's sad this part of the game is so common anymore.
In all seriousness tho, I agree that it's gotten ridiculous with what HS and summer coaches allow their kids to do. You can tell which teams might have a kid do something stupid once but there are so many that do it over and over again.
We had a pitcher last summer that made a show of tipping his hat to the other team's dugout after the final strikeout ended the game. Even though their team had committed several classless acts during the game he got an earful from our coaches and then got an earful from Cade as well.
No place for all of the one-upsmanship in my opinion but let's be honest it's not just relegated to baseball. I read last week that there is some sort of national symposium on sports that has been put together and is meeting here in Dallas. Led by Roger Staubach I believe. One of their major tasks is to determine why kids so often behave in such an aggressive and unsportsmanlike manner and how possibly to correct it.
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Juco,
Have you ever heard a dugout that wasn't like that in high school. You either never go to games or you set so far away you can't really hear. You wanna hear real trash talking , mix in a high school football game. You would see what goes on in baseball is pretty tame. There is always going to be a certain amout of trash talking in the dugout at the highly competitive level. You are for sure not telling the truth about our pitchers or our base runners. I personally have not seen any trash talking on the field by our kids. I am not saying it never happens but I have not seen any.
Why are you so anti-Poteet? Were you traumatized as a small child by a Pirate movie or something? hahahaha
beast i was at the game..i didnt want to point out any kids but the poteet catcher after the mckinney kid struck out tagged him 10 times...? i guess that wasnt on the field..i am not anti pirate at all dont get the wrong idea of me i just dont like the way the whole situation happened at the games i went too..their coach is not really preparing them for the college level..cause if they try to do any of that "bush" league stuff on the next level it wont be accepted with any coach
With regard to no particular incident, JUCO, I agree with you. These coaches are hurting their kids by allowing them to act in such a manner.quote:their coach is not really preparing them for the college level..cause if they try to do any of that "bush" league stuff on the next level it wont be accepted with any coach
The college and pro guys are put off by it and when (and if) they get to college the stupidity is promptly squashed.
DBAT GM - Still follow the summer stuff via internet even though we have not had a team since '03. I coached the Arl. Travelers with my father and it was tough trying to teach kids how to play the game "right" and with class. I think it is probably harder in the summer because they have other choices.
I quit coaching because I have 3 young daughters, a full time job, etc. My oldest just received an award from her gymnastics club recognizing her for her effort, support of teammates regardless of the circumstances and sportsmanship. These are the kind of awards that are most special because they involve more than just talent.
I quit coaching because I have 3 young daughters, a full time job, etc. My oldest just received an award from her gymnastics club recognizing her for her effort, support of teammates regardless of the circumstances and sportsmanship. These are the kind of awards that are most special because they involve more than just talent.
Interesting thread...
A while back my son was talking about "stupid" rules in college baseball. He mentioned the rule that the dugout is not allowed to make any comment about the opposing team. He was of the opinion that at that level, you should not let "trash talk" effect your play.
I was of the opinion that it was sad that such a rule had to be put in place to begin with as at that level, the players and coach shouldn't need rules to remind them it was unacceptable.
As he learned the game of baseball, he always had coaches who would not tolerate unsportsman-like behavior. He was taught to play it out on the field and consequences would follow opponents who showed lack of respect. I know of at least one occasion when he deliberately drilled a batter because of several racial epithets he made against my son's teammate.
I was also reminded of how perceptions alter significantly what is considered "bush" or "showing-up" another team. When he was 12 or so, he was pitching in a rec league game and had a come-backer to the mound. He grabbed it, held the ball up in the cocked arm position so the first baseman could see the ball and trotted toward the base waiting for 3 to get into position to take the throw - pretty much textbook - but a parent from the other team loudly yelled, "We don't need that kind of hot dogging on this field!!"
BTW - loved the "steal first" story....sounds like something my son's youth coach would have done
A while back my son was talking about "stupid" rules in college baseball. He mentioned the rule that the dugout is not allowed to make any comment about the opposing team. He was of the opinion that at that level, you should not let "trash talk" effect your play.
I was of the opinion that it was sad that such a rule had to be put in place to begin with as at that level, the players and coach shouldn't need rules to remind them it was unacceptable.
As he learned the game of baseball, he always had coaches who would not tolerate unsportsman-like behavior. He was taught to play it out on the field and consequences would follow opponents who showed lack of respect. I know of at least one occasion when he deliberately drilled a batter because of several racial epithets he made against my son's teammate.
I was also reminded of how perceptions alter significantly what is considered "bush" or "showing-up" another team. When he was 12 or so, he was pitching in a rec league game and had a come-backer to the mound. He grabbed it, held the ball up in the cocked arm position so the first baseman could see the ball and trotted toward the base waiting for 3 to get into position to take the throw - pretty much textbook - but a parent from the other team loudly yelled, "We don't need that kind of hot dogging on this field!!"
BTW - loved the "steal first" story....sounds like something my son's youth coach would have done
Some of Todd Wills comments came from some of our last playoff games. Coaches and umpires do need to control the game when these types of behavior happen but what about the parents. Everytime I see a kid trash talking, throwing helmets/bats or making inappropriate gestures, I first think "how embarassing, where are this kids parents?" It's easy to blame coaches and umps but who raised these kids and taught them life lessons? If any of my kids did anything close to trash talking, throwing stuff or gesturing, if the coach didn't yank them, my husband or I would.
If you don't teach them when they're young, this is what you see when they're in high school. Are kids upset when they strike out, make an error or lose a game? They all are but so many lash out instead of handling their frustration.
People blame coaches for the actions of these kids when they really need to look in the stands for the blame. JMHO
If you don't teach them when they're young, this is what you see when they're in high school. Are kids upset when they strike out, make an error or lose a game? They all are but so many lash out instead of handling their frustration.
People blame coaches for the actions of these kids when they really need to look in the stands for the blame. JMHO
It is amusing to hear all the comments about how this will change once you get to college. While attending the South Central DII Regional, there were 2 teams from the same conference that sounded like they had their softball team in the dugout with them. These teams were ridiculous. Clapping in unison, hitting the dugout roof, etc. By the way, they did not win the tournament. I also saw this at the DII World Series. All it took was a few comments about them being bush league and sounding like a softball team, and they finally did quiet down. It also helped to beat them in the field.
The parents were not much better. The NCAA representative stepped in and took away all their artificial noisemakers. There was a garbage barrel full of 1) clapper hands, 2) thundersticks, and 3) bottles 1/2 full of rocks.
The parents were not much better. The NCAA representative stepped in and took away all their artificial noisemakers. There was a garbage barrel full of 1) clapper hands, 2) thundersticks, and 3) bottles 1/2 full of rocks.
Football is a social disease..........
quote:Originally posted by ASU RAM FAN:
there were 2 teams from the same conference that sounded like they had their softball team in the dugout with them.
Now THAT is funny!!!
quote:Originally posted by NRPMom:
People blame coaches for the actions of these kids when they really need to look in the stands for the blame. JMHO
I agree the first responsibility is the parents. Absolutely. But the coaches also bear a responsibility, regardless of the parents.
quote:Originally posted by ASU RAM FAN:
There was a garbage barrel full of ... bottles 1/2 full of rocks.
What? CC Moody was at the D2 WS???
[Admit it, ctiger, you were thinking it...]
quote:Originally posted by Texan:quote:Originally posted by NRPMom:
People blame coaches for the actions of these kids when they really need to look in the stands for the blame. JMHO
I agree the first responsibility is the parents. Absolutely. But the coaches also bear a responsibility, regardless of the parents.
It ALL starts at home. I was scouting the Missouri HS Championships this last week and could pick the parents of the kids who were behaving inappropriately, simply by watching the reaction of the parents!!
quote:Originally posted by jucobaseball77:
[QUOTE]Posted June 01, 2007 09:47 AM Hide Post
beast i was at the game..i didnt want to point out any kids but the poteet catcher after the mckinney kid struck out tagged him 10 times...?
To be fair...he never actually tagged him, my son (the one who struck out), said the catcher never tagged him nor said anything to him. He was just taunting him with the ball in his face all the way to the pitchers mound.
June 1-3
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Sandy,
Quit trying to make your kid out to be some kid of angel. He DID hit the ball out of the catchers hand and he was talking smack in all 3 games to anyone that came to 2nd. So quit trying to point fingers.
Quit trying to make your kid out to be some kid of angel. He DID hit the ball out of the catchers hand and he was talking smack in all 3 games to anyone that came to 2nd. So quit trying to point fingers.
Can we let this water pass over the dam? Most acknowledge that there is too much talk in baseball -- at all levels. Thanks.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
Can we let this water pass over the dam? Most acknowledge that there is too much talk in baseball -- at all levels. Thanks.
Party Pooper
You know the temptations of a three-ring circus, JAFO -- just so many enticements. Before you know it, you're stomping around in elephant....stuff....with a group of clowns. 
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
Can we let this water pass over the dam? Most acknowledge that there is too much talk in baseball -- at all levels. Thanks.
Agreed, act and teach respect for the game.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
Can we let this water pass over the dam? Most acknowledge that there is too much talk in baseball -- at all levels. Thanks.
PD-Is that why they say baseball is a talkin' sport