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There is a lot of wisdom and experience on this board and like many others I'm so thankful it exists. But it can sometimes be frustrating trying to figure out how to apply all of that info to your own situation. So I kept reading hoping something would pop out at me.
The other day PGStaff said something that made me curious. He was talking about Cole Stobbe and how his profile listed his summer team as his HS team but he thought he played in their tournaments.  Then someone else posted something about having seen several travel ball teams from Nebraska. So I tried acquainting myself with the PG website and went to work. Pulled up the Nebraska all state baseball team and searching for them on the PG website. Once I had the player profile up I could see all of the events they participated in. And the team they played for. Of the kids that were listed there was a common thread. They played in fall tournaments and for mostly the same team. Lightbulb went off. These kids aren't being forced to choose between their high school team and high level tournaments. They found s way to do both.
So, now I have a couple of questions. In the past there was a September or October tournament in Cedar Rapids. WWBA maybe?  It looks like you just request an invite. Of course you have to be approved but my sons youth travel coach could put together a team with some of the best players from around the state. This would be for 2016. 
So tell me, am I dreaming that it could be this easy?  Would we be doing the boys a huge disservice by creating our own team as opposed to going with the more established one?  I'm not concerned with the quality of coaching but the willingness of recruiters to talk to that coach if they don't know him. Or am I overthinking it?
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Nothing is difficult, and Nebraska has some good tournies out that way during the CWS.

 

However, keep everything age appropriate. If your son has not made his HS V team, you might want to wait until that time comes, if you are doing this for recruiting.

 

Where did anyone say that you HAD to play in the summer or fall for their HS team?

 

JMO

It's a huge benefit to play for a credible team with a reputation. College coaches will show  up at the game assuming there's talent on the roster. They trust what the travel coach tells them about players. I know of new teams who were stuck on back fields at PG and never saw a college coach.

Originally Posted by Golfman25:
Originally Posted by keewart:

That is the popular one around my parts.  Most players go to that vs. Lake Point. 

So here's the question.  Is it as good for recruiting?   

Things to consider:

 

October is in the middle of college fall ball which is to not to say that colleges with large recruiting budgets will fly halfway across the country to see a player they want.

 

Right now there are 24 teams signed up for the Nebraska weekend event.  Compare that to the 17u WWBA at LakePoint this past July that drew ~350 teams for a week. If you were a coach with a budget, how would you spend your recruiting dollars? 

 

I would think that the Nebraska event would draw local colleges for sure.  Is that where you want to go school?   The best way to find out if a college will be there is to call and ask.

Perhaps I am reading this wrong but is the OP asking whether a player can play both HS and TB?  If so, there isn't a problem for most of these players doing both.  I can speak to my child's experience and that was that she played in just about every state in the Midwest in showcases and tournaments.  I would estimate that she played in front of 300 college coaches along the way.  I was her HC in HS and to be honest, she had interest from HS as well.  I've read the thread about HS stats and whether they matter. While I don't know the answer for most, my child's post season awards did matter with recruitment.  Those awards are based upon HS stats.  So, to wrap this up, imo, both have their place. 

I am a planner by nature and looking at next year as a whole trying to see what we are looking at for time and financial commitments.
I'm not wondering if he can do both high school and travel ball. I was wondering what other kids in my area who are high level recruits have done.  Im finding that what happens here is different than most of the rest of the country.  Then we need to come up with a plan that fits our budget, his talent level, and all of our comfort level.
And TPM, I don't want you to think I'm ignoring the comment about waiting until he is playing varsity baseball because it is a valid comment. I just can't afford financially waiting until spring to see what happens. It has to be a situation where we plan for the most expensive outcome. I need to know what that could be.
Originally Posted by LivingtheDream:
I am a planner by nature and looking at next year as a whole trying to see what we are looking at for time and financial commitments.
I'm not wondering if he can do both high school and travel ball. I was wondering what other kids in my area who are high level recruits have done.  Im finding that what happens here is different than most of the rest of the country.  Then we need to come up with a plan that fits our budget, his talent level, and all of our comfort level.
And TPM, I don't want you to think I'm ignoring the comment about waiting until he is playing varsity baseball because it is a valid comment. I just can't afford financially waiting until spring to see what happens. It has to be a situation where we plan for the most expensive outcome. I need to know what that could be.

I am not sure I understand.  He can play  both but not at the same time, in most states its a requirement you cannot do both.

 

Howvever, planner or not, dont put the cart before the horse.  Is your son a high level recruit? If so coaches will come knocking on the door. If he plays on a team, let the coaches figure out where they will play. There may be other opportunities down the road.  

I think that the confusion comes because while most of the country has a spring baseball season playing for their high school they spend the summer playing travel ball. These teams are not affiliated in any way with a players school and some here have said restrict participants to no more than 4 from any one school. 
This is not the model in the state of Nebraska. We have a spring season sanctioned by the NSAA and a summer season under American Legion. The American Legion teams are each affiliated with a high school. Same players and same coaches as the spring season. This effectively creates a high school season that runs from March through July. Travel ball in the state of Nebraska is virtually non existent at the high school level.  So the top kids are playing travel ball in the fall.  I hope that clears things up.

TPM, I honestly don't know if he's a high level recruit.  He's not a 15 year old throwing 90. He didn't dominate varsity as a freshman. He only had 2 appearances. One was super short and he was overwhelmed with the experience. The second he threw pretty well, gave up 1 earned run in 5 innings(a solo HR) but took the loss since our team couldn't score.  So what does it mean?  Where should he be at this point in the game?  He is a very young 15, we have a lot of people telling us he is something special, but he gives up hits, gives up runs, he has great days and he has bad days.  It all seems pretty normal to me but I just don't know.

LivingtheDream...why do you think you have to play at one of these PG events?  Are you opposed to showcases?  If you are looking for the most bang for your buck specifically with PG I would think the showcase route would be how you would go.

 

However, I would also only go if you have something demonstrative to show.  Is he a nearly full grown 15 year old throwing 85+?  Or is he a young 15 year old that shows great control for his age and he MIGHT grow into something very special?  If that is the case holding off another year would probably be best.  The advantage of a showcase is that there could be kids there from major cities to towns with one traffic light and they all get the same type of evaluation, but I wouldn't spend $600+ travel expenses until I was certain he actually had something special to show.

If you want to send him somewhere then do it.  I look at it this way, if he is not quite up to that level yet then it is a great learning experience for him.  Then he has to decide how much it means to him and how hard he is willing to work towards his goal with no guarantees its ever going to happen.  If he is at that level then it will be great exposure for him.  Its a no lose proposition.   Now if the expense is prohibitive only you know that.  In that case then you do have to be very judicious about when you choose to spend that money.  But honestly many of us here spend ridiculous amounts of money on their kids sports so it would be hard to say your money would be wasted.  I waste lots of money on my kids sports!
As for your original question go with the best team your son can PLAY for.  Like tom hanks said in saving private ryan - one guy is a waste of ammo, ten guys is a juicy opportunity.  Think of the scouts as the ammo.  They don't want to waste their time watching a game with one player of interest unless of course that guy is a flat out superstar and they just want him to know they are there.  I have no idea at this point in my son's journey where the most scouts would be in the fall.  Sounds like Lake Point which would probably make sense.  We have a local fall ball league here I believe sponsored by or connected to PG.  I was out of town for the first weekend but this weekend I am going to make a point to take my son to the games.  His organization plays in the league with a lot of top teams and a lot of talent.  Will be interesting to see how many scouts show up there.
Originally Posted by CaCO3Girl:

       
Originally Posted by 2020dad:
 But honestly many of us here spend ridiculous amounts of money on their kids sports so it would be hard to say your money would be wasted.  I waste lots of money on my kids sports!

Do you know how much people pay for a tan like ours?!?!?!  It is SOOO not a waste of money!


       
Caco I will say that it is not a means to an end.  If my kid never plays an inning of college ball I will never regret it.  The incredible rush he gets from playing with and against such great players is well worth it.  These are the good ole days!
Originally Posted by CaCO3Girl:

LivingtheDream...why do you think you have to play at one of these PG events?  Are you opposed to showcases?  If you are looking for the most bang for your buck specifically with PG I would think the showcase route would be how you would go.

 

However, I would also only go if you have something demonstrative to show.  Is he a nearly full grown 15 year old throwing 85+?  Or is he a young 15 year old that shows great control for his age and he MIGHT grow into something very special?  If that is the case holding off another year would probably be best.  The advantage of a showcase is that there could be kids there from major cities to towns with one traffic light and they all get the same type of evaluation, but I wouldn't spend $600+ travel expenses until I was certain he actually had something special to show.

I guess I feel like I get mixed messages as to which is the better route, showcase or tournament.  Just trying to decipher what it the best way for our personal situation.

As far as whether he has something to showcase that is really the biggest quandry I have.  Is he fully grown throwing 85+?  Nope.  But he is just a hair under 6'2" throwing 82 earlier this month.  But he is also a young 2018 with a late April birthday.  He still has his baby face, no sign of facial hair, his body hasn't changed to that man body yet like his brothers have.  I think I would probably call him a tweener with a lot of upside.  Above average but not yet a rock star.  And since finances and time commitment are both serious considerations I think it is in our best interests to give him a little more time before stepping onto the PG stage. 

I will say that like all of you we have spent an incredible amount of money on baseball for all 3 of our boys.  Neither of the first 2 will or did play college baseball.  Son 1 tore his labrum his sophomore year of high school and his arm never felt right again.  He stopped playing his senior year.  Son 2 decided football was his passion and stopped playing his junior year. I don't regret a second or a penny we spent on the diamond with either of them.  We made life long friends and have wonderful memories.  We won't have any regrets with son 3 either regardless of what happens the rest of his journey.  Even if this year is the high water mark of his career he will have had an experience that not many kids get.  He was the man for a year.  That's pretty fun for a 14/15 year old kid.

Originally Posted by LivingtheDream:
Originally Posted by CaCO3Girl:

LivingtheDream...why do you think you have to play at one of these PG events?  Are you opposed to showcases?  If you are looking for the most bang for your buck specifically with PG I would think the showcase route would be how you would go.

 

However, I would also only go if you have something demonstrative to show.  Is he a nearly full grown 15 year old throwing 85+?  Or is he a young 15 year old that shows great control for his age and he MIGHT grow into something very special?  If that is the case holding off another year would probably be best.  The advantage of a showcase is that there could be kids there from major cities to towns with one traffic light and they all get the same type of evaluation, but I wouldn't spend $600+ travel expenses until I was certain he actually had something special to show.

I guess I feel like I get mixed messages as to which is the better route, showcase or tournament.  Just trying to decipher what it the best way for our personal situation.

As far as whether he has something to showcase that is really the biggest quandry I have.  Is he fully grown throwing 85+?  Nope.  But he is just a hair under 6'2" throwing 82 earlier this month.  But he is also a young 2018 with a late April birthday.  He still has his baby face, no sign of facial hair, his body hasn't changed to that man body yet like his brothers have.  I think I would probably call him a tweener with a lot of upside.  Above average but not yet a rock star.  And since finances and time commitment are both serious considerations I think it is in our best interests to give him a little more time before stepping onto the PG stage. 

Given at you have written here, a kid like this can be expected to jump from 82 to 84-86 by next summer just from natural growth. No harm in planning for that.

Oregon sounds very similar to Nebraska as far as the lack of travel programs and the summer Legion ball being a de-facto extension of the HS varsity season. 

 

I don't think you have to manufacture a fall travel team in order to get exposure, and I certainly don't think there is any hurry. I think others have said here before, first succeed on varsity before worrying about exposure. Assuming your son does well in his first varsity season, take the next steps.

 

In my view, college camps are a great place to start getting the feel of the showcase circuit. In summer after his junior year, try to get into real showcases, Stanford Camp, Headfirst, etc depending on what his target schools are. And even if it is not local, it is not that hard to get connected up with a travel team that is going to one of the big tournaments. 

 

There are lots of blessings to not being in a travel ball hotbed, and it should not interfere with getting exposure needed to get the attention of college recruiters.

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