Situation; Bases loaded ground ball to F5 who steps on 3rd and throws to 2nd where there is an illegal slide...he's out and the batter runner is also out for a triple play. Correct?
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quote:Originally posted by POLOGREEN:
Situation; Bases loaded ground ball to F5 who steps on 3rd and throws to 2nd where there is an illegal slide...he's out and the batter runner is also out for a triple play. Correct?
Works for me!
quote:Originally posted by POLOGREEN:
Situation; Bases loaded ground ball to F5 who steps on 3rd and throws to 2nd where there is an illegal slide...he's out and the batter runner is also out for a triple play. Correct?
In the illegal slide rule, it states the offending runner is out, the batter-runner is out, and all other runners return to TOP base. Taken literally, you'd return R2. I don't think you'll find an umpire that does it, though.
quote:Originally posted by yawetag:
In the illegal slide rule, it states the offending runner is out, the batter-runner is out, and all other runners return to TOP base. Taken literally, you'd return R2. I don't think you'll find an umpire that does it, though.
Don't tempt me.
quote:Originally posted by TX-Ump74:quote:Originally posted by POLOGREEN:
Situation; Bases loaded ground ball to F5 who steps on 3rd and throws to 2nd where there is an illegal slide...he's out and the batter runner is also out for a triple play. Correct?
Works for me!
I Stand corrected... after reading the rule I thought it was runners return to the base occupied at the time of the infraction... but as stated above it is TOP (Time of Pitch)
So it would not be a triple play...
But if the runner going to third base is already out at the time of the FPSR infraction, he is no longer a runner in the game, so I'd argue that he would not return to his base at TOP.
quote:Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
But if the runner going to third base is already out at the time of the FPSR infraction, he is no longer a runner in the game, so I'd argue that he would not return to his base at TOP.
The penalty is very specific... "Runners shall return to the bases occupied at the time of pitch" (TOP) Rule 8-4-2b
I would have triple play; runner into 3rd out runner into second out for FPSR infraction and B/R out. Triple Play
quote:Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
The penalty is very specific... "Runners shall return to the bases occupied at the time of pitch" (TOP) Rule 8-4-2b
So, using this logic, you are rewarding the offense for committing an illegal (and usually unsafe) act. After your penalty, you'll have R2 with two out. If I'm R1, I'll take that any day of the week and do what I can to break up the triple play.
Umpire with the rules, not by the rules.
By definition, the runner who was put out at third on the force play was no longer a runner at the time of the interference at second. He was a "retired" runner. The penalty for the FPSR violation does not indicate that retired runners be returned to TOP bases. The out at third stands. Three outs.
Im getting 3...
quote:Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
The penalty is very specific... "Runners shall return to the bases occupied at the time of pitch" (TOP) Rule 8-4-2b
You'll note it does not say "those who were runners at time of pitch return."
R2 was not a runner at the time of the infraction. His out remains.
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:
R2 was not a runner at the time of the infraction. His out remains.
Jimmy, the same basic terminology is used for a BOO infraction in NCAA and OBR rules. However, case plays show that these runners return to TOP base.
I think you're stretching. While I agree that the triple play is kept, the rules technically state otherwise.
quote:Originally posted by yawetag:
Jimmy, the same basic terminology is used for a BOO infraction in NCAA and OBR rules. However, case plays show that these runners return to TOP base.
I think you're stretching. While I agree that the triple play is kept, the rules technically state otherwise.
The stretch is applying a BOO rule to the FPSR (which doesn't exist in OBR). When the interference occurred, there were 3 runners - R1,R3 and the B/R. They are the only runners affected by the penalty.
quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:quote:Originally posted by yawetag:
Jimmy, the same basic terminology is used for a BOO infraction in NCAA and OBR rules. However, case plays show that these runners return to TOP base.
I think you're stretching. While I agree that the triple play is kept, the rules technically state otherwise.
The stretch is applying a BOO rule to the FPSR (which doesn't exist in OBR). When the interference occurred, there were 3 runners - R1,R3 and the B/R. They are the only runners affected by the penalty.
Yep.