Is there a way to find out which programs are fully funded versus partially funded? Are there any out there (DI) that aren't funded?
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I am not aware of any kind of "database" that has this kind of info.
I think this could be one of the questions you ask a coach in checking out schools.
Certainly some posts on this message board talk about particular schools being fully funded or not........
I think this could be one of the questions you ask a coach in checking out schools.
Certainly some posts on this message board talk about particular schools being fully funded or not........
The Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/Search.asp
This data base will tell you how much each school spends per team/per player. All sports are listed and each school must file this information with the goverment annually. Programs that are not funded will have lower $$ figures per team (Baseball)and per player. You can also see what schools earn revenue wise per each sport. This act was created per Title IX.
There are some interesting numbers if you compre programs.
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/Search.asp
This data base will tell you how much each school spends per team/per player. All sports are listed and each school must file this information with the goverment annually. Programs that are not funded will have lower $$ figures per team (Baseball)and per player. You can also see what schools earn revenue wise per each sport. This act was created per Title IX.
There are some interesting numbers if you compre programs.
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WOW! Thanks coach!
This is such good info. Add another amazing find on the HSSBW!
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WOW! Thanks coach!
This is such good info. Add another amazing find on the HSSBW!
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I just added the link as a bookmark. Thanks, Coach Merc!
Amazing Link! Thank you so much!
Amazing info!!!
I wonder what the cost include ?
I wonder what the cost include ?
Thanks, Coach Merc.
Thanks, Coach Merc! One thing that stood out to me was rosters on first day of competition. One school in our area had 45 players. What does that mean?
quote:Originally posted by TDad:
Thanks, Coach Merc! One thing that stood out to me was rosters on first day of competition. One school in our area had 45 players. What does that mean?
Yes. Thanks, Coach Merc. I checked some shools. 45-48 players in some programs. I think it means it's a little crowded in the locker room and a bunch are red-shirted, having GPA and/or credit issues or waiting to be red-shirted.
This is very interesting information...
However, to make sure I understand how best to make use of what it's telling me, am I to divide the "team" operating expense by the individual school's known tuition/room/board/costs? That resulting quotient would then be the number of scholarships actually funded by the individual school?
Seems like that would work for the private schools, where all tuition/costs are the same, but what about public schools and the variance for out-of-state tuition?
However, to make sure I understand how best to make use of what it's telling me, am I to divide the "team" operating expense by the individual school's known tuition/room/board/costs? That resulting quotient would then be the number of scholarships actually funded by the individual school?
Seems like that would work for the private schools, where all tuition/costs are the same, but what about public schools and the variance for out-of-state tuition?
It's interesting to see the correlation between dollars spent per player of the "power" schools versus the "others". Not only in a baseball but in other sports also.
The old political cliche holds true in NCAA sports also.
"All teams are created equal but some more equal than others"
The old political cliche holds true in NCAA sports also.
"All teams are created equal but some more equal than others"
COACH MERC-
Thanks for the info.......VERY interesting
Thanks for the info.......VERY interesting
Check out revenues. It's interesting to see the correlation between high revenues in football and what's spent on their athletes.
University of Florida..wow...
They weren't kidding when they say they generate 75= in revenue from their sports programs!
It's also interesting to see the money spent on each sport. For instance Duke, what they spend on basketball is close to football. Boston College, that's weird one.
University of Florida..wow...
They weren't kidding when they say they generate 75= in revenue from their sports programs!It's also interesting to see the money spent on each sport. For instance Duke, what they spend on basketball is close to football. Boston College, that's weird one.
Very, very interesting - thanks for the link, Coach Merc!
Texan requested that I "pin" this thread at the top of the forum for a while, and that's a great idea!
Julie
Texan requested that I "pin" this thread at the top of the forum for a while, and that's a great idea!
Julie
Now you know why GPA is important for more options, and start playing basketball? 
They call it a home equity loan?
They call it a home equity loan?
I just discovered this question--it's a good one! Beezer, thanks for asking it, and Coach Merc, you are awesome! This may be my very favorite post...
I've bookmarked the page and it's already dog-eared!
I've bookmarked the page and it's already dog-eared!
When you review the site, remember that "operating expenses" don't include scholarship dollars. Here's what they DO include:
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All expenses an institution incurs attributable to home, away, and neutral-site intercollegiate athletic contests (commonly known as ``game-day expenses''), for (A) Lodging, meals, transportation, uniforms, and equipment for coaches, team members, support staff (including, but not limited to team managers and trainers), and others; and (B) Officials. Please remember to include Operating Expenses when you calculate your total Expenses for the year.
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If you go to the Revenue/Expenses portion of the report, you will see that the only specific sports broken out from the grand total are football and basketball. It's hard to get a read on scholarships from the data presented in this fashion.
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All expenses an institution incurs attributable to home, away, and neutral-site intercollegiate athletic contests (commonly known as ``game-day expenses''), for (A) Lodging, meals, transportation, uniforms, and equipment for coaches, team members, support staff (including, but not limited to team managers and trainers), and others; and (B) Officials. Please remember to include Operating Expenses when you calculate your total Expenses for the year.
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If you go to the Revenue/Expenses portion of the report, you will see that the only specific sports broken out from the grand total are football and basketball. It's hard to get a read on scholarships from the data presented in this fashion.
HHH is correct that operating $$ does NOT indicate scholarship funding.
I've seen some schools discuss a funding breadown by sport occasionally in a press release - usually happens when funding is added to 1 or more of their sports & they want attention for the achievement
never have seen a database -
suggest calling compliance or AD's office re schools you have questions about - the info isn't secret or anything, but schools not funding all allowable scholarships don't want to put it on the front page.
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I've seen some schools discuss a funding breadown by sport occasionally in a press release - usually happens when funding is added to 1 or more of their sports & they want attention for the achievement
never have seen a database -
suggest calling compliance or AD's office re schools you have questions about - the info isn't secret or anything, but schools not funding all allowable scholarships don't want to put it on the front page.
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quote:Originally posted by HiHardHeat:
It's hard to get a read on scholarships from the data presented in this fashion.
I hadn't really dug into it too much. I went to the site (which is helpful) and looked around but it did seem pretty confusing.
Bee's got the right idea....now if somebody could just call all 285 programs and compile a list, that would be mighty nice.
agree, but how usefull would that info be??quote:by Beeze: now if somebody could just call all 285 programs and compile a list, that would be mighty nice.
if you get an offer that works, what effect does the schools internal accounting have on you?
however - - IF the offer on the table was "lower than expected" AND it will strain you to make it work AND/OR the coach offering is crying the blues that he has no money available by no fault of his own, I'd like to kwow the extent his program is funded -
OR if he is BS-ing me, or he spent his funds "like a drunken sailor"
jmo
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quote:Originally posted by Bee>:
agree, but how usefull would that info be??
There's no such thing as bad information and as everybody preaches around here, do your homework. It's merely part of the equation. Is it a single decision point? Absolutely not because as you said, if it's the right fit and the offer works, what difference does it make. But I like to know as much as I can, especially if I'm about to agree to send my son (or daughter) to their school.
Besides, if the coach calls and says "We want Lil Beezer, he's our No. 1 prospect, gotta have him". And when the offer comes and it's for book money, it would be good to know why.
Just curious -- do college programs pay for meals during out-of-town games, or are players on their own? Also, I'm assuming programs play for uniforms, but what about equipment like bats and gloves?
I would say "Yes" and "perhaps" to your questions but will defer to those in the know.
But for what it's worth, my daughter is a golfer and all her meals are covered when traveling. Her equipment isn't covered but I know for baseball, some of it IS but don't think all of it is.
But for what it's worth, my daughter is a golfer and all her meals are covered when traveling. Her equipment isn't covered but I know for baseball, some of it IS but don't think all of it is.
Your meals are paid for. Depending on coach you get a set amount (set by NCAA) or you eat as a team.
The only thing fully funded would mean is that the team is likely to be more competetive. It may mean he can offer you more but what he offers is what he offers. You negotia if you feel you need to but the coach will offer based on talent, need and funds available.
Most schools have deals with equipment suppliers and you get deals on gloves,shoes etc.
Most schools have deals with equipment suppliers and you get deals on gloves,shoes etc.
Infield08,
I think that depends on the program. My son played in the SEC and during his freshman and soph years the players were given $120.00 cash for meal money on the day they left for weekend road trips. Home games would have a meal (box lunch) catered after the game. They had a coaching change and the new coach stopped the “meal money” starting his junior year. The new coach cut out the $120.00 and bought the team their meals.
All equipment was provided including bats (aluminum and wood), gloves, cleats, turfs, under armor, jackets, bags ---- and just about any other type of athletic clothing you can imagine. I am reminded of this even today when I reach for a towel after a shower and it has #10 (his number) on the corner.
Fungo
I think that depends on the program. My son played in the SEC and during his freshman and soph years the players were given $120.00 cash for meal money on the day they left for weekend road trips. Home games would have a meal (box lunch) catered after the game. They had a coaching change and the new coach stopped the “meal money” starting his junior year. The new coach cut out the $120.00 and bought the team their meals.
All equipment was provided including bats (aluminum and wood), gloves, cleats, turfs, under armor, jackets, bags ---- and just about any other type of athletic clothing you can imagine. I am reminded of this even today when I reach for a towel after a shower and it has #10 (his number) on the corner.
Fungo
quote:I am reminded of this even today when I reach for a towel after a shower and it has #10 (his number) on the corner.
That's funny
Fungo that was funny.
The NCAA allows very little for meals while on the road, the difference is made up by individual programs and coaches budget. I learned this last year as son was on the NCAA/ACC student liason committee and a big complaint was the amount of money they get for meals while on the road. Imagine all of that non profit money they make, your son gets about 10 dollars a day from them for meals. If they get to travel for post season tournament play, they get a bit more. If they stay home for post season, they get free unlimited meals in the cafeteria, courtesy of their athletic department. 
After home games, if cafeteria is closed, they get 8 bucks. I think his road money is 25 a day, but they get pizza and subs included after games as there is curfew and they can't go out. On one trip, they had meals brought in after a game, but that meant less money for the day.
While in Omaha, he got a bit more, they are given a breakdown by the NCAA, x amount of money for meals, x amount of money for incidentals. It is NOT much. Then they get additional money from the school. Most were happy mom and dad were around!
My son told me when he met up with a friend he knew from another team first question asked was, "and HOW much money did YOU get a day". University of Miami players seemed to get the most, which meant their athleteic department was most generous.
On the other hand, as for equipment he gets everything he needs from cups to gloves. Pitchers get an assortment of gloves and son has a few, one embroidered Clemson Tigers, another one with his name. Everyhting you could imagine. A lot depends on who are their sponsors and who the coaches do business with.
The NCAA allows very little for meals while on the road, the difference is made up by individual programs and coaches budget. I learned this last year as son was on the NCAA/ACC student liason committee and a big complaint was the amount of money they get for meals while on the road. Imagine all of that non profit money they make, your son gets about 10 dollars a day from them for meals.
If they get to travel for post season tournament play, they get a bit more. If they stay home for post season, they get free unlimited meals in the cafeteria, courtesy of their athletic department. After home games, if cafeteria is closed, they get 8 bucks. I think his road money is 25 a day, but they get pizza and subs included after games as there is curfew and they can't go out. On one trip, they had meals brought in after a game, but that meant less money for the day.While in Omaha, he got a bit more, they are given a breakdown by the NCAA, x amount of money for meals, x amount of money for incidentals. It is NOT much. Then they get additional money from the school. Most were happy mom and dad were around!
My son told me when he met up with a friend he knew from another team first question asked was, "and HOW much money did YOU get a day". University of Miami players seemed to get the most, which meant their athleteic department was most generous.
On the other hand, as for equipment he gets everything he needs from cups to gloves.
Pitchers get an assortment of gloves and son has a few, one embroidered Clemson Tigers, another one with his name. Everyhting you could imagine. A lot depends on who are their sponsors and who the coaches do business with.
I haven't been getting my towels......
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
Pitchers get an assortment of gloves and son has a few, one embroidered Clemson Tigers, another one with his name. Everyhting you could imagine. A lot depends on who are their sponsors and who the coaches do business with.
Was your son a stud in high school? Just wondered how good he had to be to be scholorshiped by the Clemson Tigers. Was he an all-state player in your state? If he was a pitcher, how fast did he throw and was he a lefty 6'3" tall and about 200lbs?? Just curious to know what it takes to make the SEC baseball programs.....thanks in advance.