Fun Topic...What in-state players look like Major League Potential?

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Originally posted by VB Baseball:
Justin and BJ Upton, Michael Cuddyer, Ryan Zimmerman, Mark Reynolds, Justin Verlander, etc. were all great Virginia players that are current major league players. Not all of them were considered to have major league potential out of High School, but some do. Who is in High School now that is almost a sure bet to be in the Majors?

No one.

Ok
How about who in the state will get drafted this year?

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Originally posted by redbird5:

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Originally posted by VB Baseball:
Justin and BJ Upton, Michael Cuddyer, Ryan Zimmerman, Mark Reynolds, Justin Verlander, etc. were all great Virginia players that are current major league players. Not all of them were considered to have major league potential out of High School, but some do. Who is in High School now that is almost a sure bet to be in the Majors?

No one.

There is no such thing as a sure bet......

If I knew I'd quit my daytime job..........

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Originally posted by VB Baseball:
Ok
How about who in the state will get drafted this year?

Definitely
Jake Cave, LHP/OF, Kecoughtan
Deshorn Lake, RHP, Menchville

Maybe
TJ Costen, IF/OF, First Colonial
Kevin White, C/OF, STAB
Shawn Morimando, LHP, Ocean Lakes

allready talk of Jack Winecoup (sp?) from Cape Henry, the kid is just a junior. Time will tell but I would defiantly watch this Kid

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I would defiantly watch this Kid

I have this mental image image of a guy in the stands with a nasty scowl on his face ....

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Originally posted by redbird5:

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Originally posted by VB Baseball:
Ok
How about who in the state will get drafted this year?

Definitely
Jake Cave, LHP/OF, Kecoughtan
Deshorn Lake, RHP, Menchville

Maybe
TJ Costen, IF/OF, First Colonial
Kevin White, C/OF, STAB
Shawn Morimando, LHP, Ocean Lakes

Cave as a pitcher or everyday player?

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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:

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I would defiantly watch this Kid

I have this mental image image of a guy in the stands with a nasty scowl on his face ....

haha...I "here" ya Midlo...

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Originally posted by Prep Ballfan:

Cave as a pitcher or everyday player?

Either/or...depends on the organization. LSU likes him as a hitter and a pitcher.

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Originally posted by playright:
allready talk of Jack Winecoup (sp?) from Cape Henry, the kid is just a junior. Time will tell but I would defiantly watch this Kid

1) His name is Jack Wynkoop
2) He is very talented but there are 4-5 pitchers in the VA 2012 class who are ranked higher than him. Jack certainly can improve, but so can the others.
3) I think you meant "definitely", not defiantly

Evan Beal, RHP, South County

Evan should most definitely get drafted at some point this summer.

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Originally posted by redbird5:

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Originally posted by Prep Ballfan:

Cave as a pitcher or everyday player?

Either/or...depends on the organization. LSU likes him as a hitter and a pitcher.

LSU is not a pro team--close tho! Lots of colleges like guys as either but pros don't draft that way. I did not see Jake this year, but have seen him plenty before. I think best potential is as OF.

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Originally posted by Prep Ballfan:
LSU is not a pro team--close tho! Lots of colleges like guys as either but pros don't draft that way. I did not see Jake this year, but have seen him plenty before. I think best potential is as OF.

I am well aware that LSU is not a pro team but it doesn't change my post. Many like Jake more on the mound where he has been up to 94. Again, it depends on which organizationn drafts him.

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Originally posted by bballcoach44:
Evan Beal, RHP, South County

Evan should most definitely get drafted at some point this summer.

I love Evan but I'm not sure his velocity is enough to get drafted right now. He was 85-88 for most of last summer. His breaking ball is his plus pitch. Someone may take him in the very late rounds but I see him going to college for 2 years and then getting drafted.

Midlo...now, that's funny.

This is a fun topic.

Last years grads were supposed to produce some high picks. Some "guaranteed" "no brainers" based on having the best this or that. Then you hear things like "the Yankees were in his living room for coffee and doughnuts" and "the Red Sox are saying Top 3 rounds" and then.....nothing.

Even with the guys that do get picked, whether they are bonus babies or 50th rounders, actually making it to The Show is a long shot.

I like 13LHPdad's response best...."If I knew I'd quit my daytime job"

And by the way, I've got some waterfront property for sale....just saying.

Rich
www.playinschool.com

13LHP:

Here's a way to predict high school draft prospects with 99% accuracy. No matter who it is, just say, "Probably not, but someone might take a flyer on him in a late round."

Unfortunately, you'll have to figure out for yourself how you can make enough money from this to quit your day job.

I am not sure I agree with the Uptons, or David Wright not being pro material out of HS. The Uptans were #1 and #2 overall and Wright a 1st rounder around 30th overall if I recall. When you go that high you can play and it doesn't come together all of a sudden as a senior in High School.

With all that said it does not appear that there is anyone in HS that will go anywhere neat that high in the near future.

"I see [Cave] going to college for 2 years and then getting drafted."

Will he be draft eligible then? Is he graduating HS at age 19?

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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
"I see [Cave] going to college for 2 years and then getting drafted."

Will he be draft eligible then? Is he graduating HS at age 19?

Oops...I meant 3 years. Sorry. Plus, I wasn't talking about Cave, I was talking about Beal.

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Originally posted by redbird5:

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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
"I see [Cave] going to college for 2 years and then getting drafted."

Will he be draft eligible then? Is he graduating HS at age 19?

Oops...I meant 3 years. Sorry. Plus, I wasn't talking about Cave, I was talking about Beal.

The way I read the draft rules, and assuming the player is at a D1 program, aging to age 21 is not the only way to be draft eligible earlier than 3 years at the D1 program. Others include (1)leaving the D1 program and being out of the D1 program for 120 days and (2) completing the junior year. If Beal or any other player were to enter college with sufficient credits (due to AP credits, for example), he very well could complete his junior year after his second year at college and be draft eligible after 2 years in the D1 program.

Does anyone believe that Danny Hultzen (UVA) and Jake Cave have similarities? Where would Danny have been drafted (or was drafted) in 2008.

Hultzen was drafted in the 10th round coming out of high school.

Arizona Diamondbacks drafted Hultzen as the 318th pick of the draft, round 10. I remember reading a lot on the web at the time that Hultzen would have been drafted higher but for signability issues(that being that he wanted to go to college), which proved to be true. Thus one would have to know Cave's predisposition towards college to know if there are similarities.

Thanks, but that was only because most teams knew he wanted to go to college, right? Do you think he would have been in the top 3 rounds, if not for wanting to experience the college life?

I'm just wondering (barring no injuries to occur), is it better for a player to take top three round money or go to college and try to improve their draft stock? Taking into consideration that the kid was a good student (example only)

WB - I'm thinking more along the lines of their playing abilities - both two way players, both LHP pitchers, etc. I didn't see Hultzen play in HS, but have seen Cave alot.

Talk in the spring was C Cox would have been in the 5-7th round area except the the money wasn't right to give up college. So ODU has him for the next 3 years

Saipan, in order to answer your question, you also have to consider life outside of baseball. Even if you are a "sure thing," it's a long shot to make the big leagues, even as a second- or third- round draft pick. And if you don't, you'll never make enough money to make a living off of playing the game. What you give up in the meantime is an opportunity to get a four-year degree and have a good chance to have a decent career. And if you're a top-3 round quality type of player, you probably will have a good chunk of that college tuition paid for. ...And, you still get to play the game that you love if you go to school!

In the long run, barring injuries and good student (conditions you set), I think it's a no-brainer to go to school, especially if you're not getting 1st round bonus money.

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Originally posted by luv baseball:
Talk in the spring was C Cox would have been in the 5-7th round area except the the money wasn't right to give up college. So ODU has him for the next 3 years

Cody Cox is no longer at ODU. He is at Thomas Nelson CC. He was drafted by the Cubs last year in the 21st round.

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Originally posted by birddog:
Cody Cox is no longer at ODU. He is at Thomas Nelson CC. He was drafted by the Cubs last year in the 21st round.

And because he will have been out of a D1 program for 120 days or more, he will be eligible to be drafted in the 2011 draft.

Yep.....take the money and run!

Projecting the draft is like picking lottery numbers. I am able to pick some, but not all.

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And if you're a top-3 round quality type of player, you probably will have a good chunk of that college tuition paid for.

I'm not sure what the cutoff is as far as round taken and amount of college paid for, but my kid was taken in the fifth round with 1 1/2 years left for his degree. It was written into his rookie contract that that remaining amount would be taken care of. And according to his agent, it is pretty much standard practice nowadays for that to be written in to the contract. But again, I'm not sure how "low" it goes before it starts tailing off.

It will be really interesting to see how Cody Cox does in the draft, what round and what kind of money. Does your stock go down at this point?

I certainly wish him the best, ODU really could have used his arm.

Hultzen struck out 15 today against East Carolina, giving up 1 run on 3 hits with no walks in 7 innings while going 3 for 4 at the plate. Impressive.