gas

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Originally posted by cvsting:
Question, why is it that our United States Government has not stepped in long before now to deal with the shortage of refinery operations in this Country?

I am told there is plenty of crude but not enough refineries in the USA to refine the crude into gasoline.

I guess if we have too many refineries the price of gasoline would go down and the oil companies might loose a dollar.

It's crazy that the most powerfull nation in the world is manipulated by oil companies and the poor average citizen has to be the one who pays.

CV

You have got to be kidding.

Why are there not more refineries? Because so many people don't want them in their backyard. They want plenty of refining capacity, but put the refinery somewhere else. Well, when all of the states take that attitude, where can the refineries be built?

Maybe you think the government should force computer makers to open more factories & produce more, because you would like a $10 PC?

Perhaps someone wants nickel hotdogs again. Let's have the government force the hotdog companies to increase their production by 500%.

Sheesshhh.

We have enjoyed the fruits of democracy, capitalism and free markets for a long time. But there is no nirvana. There will be ups & downs. And government intervention is not the solution. Just ask England as it moves away from its disastrous experiment with socialism.

The socialism you are supporting here does not work. Why do you think that so many socialist countries collapsed? Because socialism doesn't work in the long run.

I hope your post was in jest. If so, please accept my apologies. And "never mind..."

This Country is so dependant on gasoline that it affects the economy as a whole. If there is no gasoline the Country is at great risk of collapse.

People do not want landfills, Prisons, traffic, houses, airports, & many other things in their backyard either.

Gas is an evil necesity like many things. Obviously there is not enough of the refined product.

Most station owners are lucky to make a nickle a gallon on it, now I am sorry but someone is getting rich off of us all.

CV

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Originally posted by Texan:
In my daughter's case, it is no assumption. It is proven.

A car pulled right out in front of her (driver admitted fault to the police officer, even). The front end of the car was removed in the impact.

Damage to the tank? Broken side reflector, scratch in the paint.

It is a matter of physics. In the collision of a heavier object and a lighter object, moving at the same speeds, far more energy is transferred to the lighter object.

Yes, it is a matter of physics. A heavier object, traveling at the same speed as a lighter object (with similiar braking systems) will take longer to stop. I would rather think that accidents aren't only about who "wins", but also about who might have been able to avoid them.

Come on folks, stop arguing about gas when people are killing each other for food and water. People are dying. This is NOT the time for politics.

Right now, I'll pay whatever I have to not be in the terrible situation some of our fellow citizens are facing now.

cv...Agree with you 100%.

That is the key. We don't have refining capacity and they are now hassling with some principals who want to build a big one in Arizona. A crude pipeline from Mexico. Something about the "landscape".

What is the landscape in most of Arizona? Barren desert with a few snakes.

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If there is no gasoline the Country is at great risk of collapse.

CV

Not if, but when we run out of gas, we better know how to put in a garden, put up vegetables, hunt deer and squirrel, and a few other thing nobody ever taught me when I was little.

FYI:

The Bullwinkle is never short on gas.

Texan

Sorry to ruffle your feathers...but my parents, and I assume yours lived through WWII and they had the OPA controls on gasoline and prices. After the war the controls were discontinued in 1947.

I believe controls are necessary on a temorary basis since the free market is not controlling the price of gasoline.

We do not live in a free market system of pure capitalism...not when we are buying our oil from entities that are in collusion like that of OPEC.

Just for your information from the Ecyclopedia.com website:

Office of Price Administration
Related: United States History

(OPA), U.S. federal agency in World War II, established to prevent wartime inflation. The OPA issued (Apr., 1942) a general maximum-price regulation that made prices charged in Mar., 1942, the ceiling prices for most commodities. Ceilings were also imposed on residential rents. These regulations were gradually modified and extended by OPA administrators—notably Leon Henderson (1941-42), Prentiss H. Brown (1943), and Chester B. Bowles (1943-46)—until almost 90% of the retail food prices were frozen. Prices continued to rise, however, and new drives to secure compliance resulted; ultimately the OPA succeeded in keeping consumer prices relatively stable during the remaining war years. Besides controlling prices, the OPA was also empowered to ration scarce consumer goods in wartime. Tires, automobiles, sugar, gasoline, fuel oil, coffee, meats, and processed foods were ultimately rationed. At the end of the war rationing was abandoned, and price controls were gradually abolished. The agency was finally disbanded in 1947.

**peace**

Shoot, I thought there was a nirvana.

Amazing what you can learn on here.

Cheers.

RR, I did not sleep through history classes - American or World.

If you cannot see the differences in today's situation and that in 1942, I cannot help you.

American Red Cross

The new mode of transport in New Orleans. The Islander Pontoon Boat. Low cost and very little fuel consumption

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Originally posted by Texan:
RR, I did not sleep through history classes - American or World.

If you cannot see the differences in today's situation and that in 1942, I cannot help you.

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Texan

I assume your interpretation of U.S. History has a slightly different view point from down South. We in the North understand that their are people in times of shortages and crisis that will take advantage of those circumstances due to the attributes of some human beings to give in to their worse instincts. It is those who must be controlled for the benefit of the total society to not suffer the inflationary results of uncontrolled increases of prices and the instincts to horde supplies that are experiencing shortages.

IMO the president must stabilize things on a temporary basis until recovery can be completed so that we are not using up the National Petroleum Reserves to offset the oil industries collusion to eefect economic changes in our country that in the long run will be harmful to all of us in the resulting changes to our standard of living and cultural lifestyles.

maybe Willie Nelson's bio-fuel will be in demand soon!