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I have to be brief and evasive on this. I don't want to ID my son. If your son gets injured get a second opinion from a doctor not connected to the university or the coach. My son was told he would not harm himself further if he finished the season last spring. The doctor was wrong. He had surgery last summer. His ortho at home freaked out he was allowed to play in his condition. He missed all of fall ball. He may need another surgery ending his college career. It's questionable he could play even if he doesn't have surgery. We're now looking at the long term effect on his health. The coach is committed to winning. Your son is just a pawn in that quest.

Add: This post isn't a complaint. It's advice we never received. I want others here to understand for the future. College sports are as much a business as sport. I blame myself for lack of common sense. He played two weeks before I saw him. He said nothing. It was obvious to me something was wrong. It's easy to get caught up in the "if I can manage the pain I can play." Especially when the season is on the line. From a kid's perspective they believe they're indestructible.

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Do to my son's experience with an injury while at college, I would highly endorse RJM's recommendation for getting a second opinion from an outside source, particularly a doctor who specializes in sports injuries and with lots of experience with the particular injury of concern.   The college coaching staff actually had son do things that actually aggravated the injury.

Son didn't get any effective help for his injury until a coach for his summer team actually found help that finally got him healed.  Fortunately, he hasn't had a problem since.

Really Sorry to hear that.  Best of luck to you and your son. 

The second opinion thing is really and truly of the utmost importance.   Player I know from a certain powerhouse West Coast football team -- both the team and the player shall remain nameless --  was hurt. Trainer looked him over and cleared him to practice.    Kid insisted he was hurt and unable to practice and just refused to do so.  Coaches were really pissed off.   The head coach actually called him out by name to the rest of the team.   Player was very upset.  Went home to get a second opinion.  Turns out the kid needed hip surgery.  Player's  dad, a former NFL and College player himself,   had always encouraged his son to stand up for himself with coaches and trainers, and to listen to his body.   The experience really soured the kid on NCAA football in general and his particular coaching staff in particular  (despite their great on field success).   He decided, partly as a consequence, to enter draft after junior year.  He is now in the NFL himself, but unfortunately spent his rookie season on  injured reserve list. 

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TPM has commented on this very thing in the last several months.  Not only the team doc in college, but also MLB....get the second opinion.

My son's surgery this past summer was pretty cut and dry.  But still, it was surgery on both hips.  I asked around our area, got some feedback (not all good on the recommended doctor), but the doc the team recommended had the most up to date training on the newer procedures.   He had also recently performed surgery on both hips on a soccer player at son's school.

So far so good for us, but do your research.

 

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I am sorry to hear this. I am surprised that you did not get a second opinion.  The player also has the right to refuse to play if he is not well. No one can make him do so. If the doc told the coach he was ok to play, that is not on the coach.  Sometimes our kids are so competitive, it can get in the way. I have seen this in my own son.   He probably hurt his future chances because he was too stubborn to go on the DL when he should have. Its especially harder when you have had multiple injuries that set you back.Always keep in mind that any team doctor is the team doctor because he is getting paid to do so. He may not be a specialist in the area of injury.  You have the right to question whether his opinion is right for the team or the player. And as keewart stated, this goes for all levels.

My son never had any issue in college, however as far as I know programs never discourage anyone to not see someone else.  of the few that I know whose sons have had major surgery done, it has been done by a very well known doctors.

 

TPM posted:

I am sorry to hear this. I am surprised that you did not get a second opinion.  The player also has the right to refuse to play if he is not well. No one can make him do so. If the doc told the coach he was ok to play, that is not on the coach.  Sometimes our kids are so competitive, it can get in the way. I have seen this in my own son.   He probably hurt his future chances because he was too stubborn to go on the DL when he should have. Its especially harder when you have had multiple injuries that set you back.Always keep in mind that any team doctor is the team doctor because he is getting paid to do so. He may not be a specialist in the area of injury.  You have the right to question whether his opinion is right for the team or the player. And as keewart stated, this goes for all levels.

My son never had any issue in college, however as far as I know programs never discourage anyone to not see someone else.  of the few that I know whose sons have had major surgery done, it has been done by a very well known doctors.

 

He played for two weeks with the injury before I saw him play. I could see there was something wrong. When he told me he had been playing with the problem for two weeks I figured how bad can it be. I wasn't thinking.

He's always felt he's a hitting slump or injury from losing his position to the latest hot recruit. He's never felt pressure to produce. The pressure has always been to stay on the field.

This is is a kid who got steely eyed and told his ortho in high school, "I'm not missing the season. I'm going to be in the lineup opening day. You're going to help." He was in the opening day lineup three weeks after tossing the sling from shoulder surgery.

Last night he said college baseball has been more than he dreamed it could be. If he can't play the only regret would be not knowing when it was the last game. As anyone who has played will tell you it's an emotional experience and memory to never be forgotten. 

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JLC posted:

I wish you the best and sorry to hear about the injury.  I will make sure to keep this advice in mind.  I have a tendency to think coaches will do the right thing, but that is naive. 

JLC

We cannot always assume it is the "coach."  When our son was in MILB, he ran into an issue I have posted about, which is not very different from the very unfortunate problem for RJM's son.  Our son's condition was confirmed by a contrast MRI and the team doctor advised him he could play the entire season with risk of causing further damage.  Our son was released to play. Unfortunately, when he would try and throw a baseball, there were times his shoulder would literally lock and that combined with pain made it so  he could not throw.

He wanted to play through it.  He did not want others to take away his position while he sat on the bench. I won't ever forget the 3rd time it happened because we happened to be in Michigan to see him.  He made a brilliant back hand stab of a ball down the 3B line.  Spun around and tried to make the throw.  The ball literally landed at his feet because he could not throw due to the pain and locking.

Went out to dinner that night. He was so discouraged and for the first time talk about retiring.  We talked a lot and I suggested he talk with the coaches about the shoulder and problem and see if they could help.  This seemed reasonable and he took the approach since he had a great relationship with both coaches.  Talked with them next Morning. Both were stunned, fully supportive and agreed to work with him for the balance of the season.  The coaches told him they knew nothing about the  diagnosis, need for post season surgery, etc.  All they were provided was "cleared to play" or not.

I am not saying the "cleared to play or not"  applies to the situation with RJM's son and the coaching staff.  HIPAA and privacy can be adapted in interesting ways when it comes to college athletes, professional athletes, medical personnel and coaching staffs.

The take away from this thread, in my view, is get the 2nd opinion and the fact that most highly competitive college athletes and above want to to be "cleared" to play.  Coaches want their best players to be "cleared" to play.

Team doctors are not always the best in addressing the proper balance on "cleared" to play and especially, as RJM's and our son experienced, in making the judgement it cannot get any worse. Getting a 2nd opinion on anything needing off season surgery is almost gospel for a high level college and above athlete.  Being able to manage and maneuver to get that opinion is not as easy as it sounds, sometimes, though.

 

I don't believe advising to get a second opinion is piling on. That I didn't insist my son get a second opinion was a bad decision. It's not just college programs that sometimes push players back on the field. I've read plenty of stories of MLBers and their agents at odds with MLB team physicians.

RJM posted:

I don't believe advising to get a second opinion is piling on. That I didn't insist my son get a second opinion was a bad decision. It's not just college programs that sometimes push players back on the field. I've read plenty of stories of MLBers and their agents at odds with MLB team physicians.

I'm not (completely) disagreeing with your initial post. But I did feel like there were plenty of replies who were simply bashing the medical staffs of teams/schools. Maybe that's me taking it personally because I am a part of a school medical staff..

I agree that there are times where a second opinion is necessary and warranted. But I also think that at times parents and patients jump to a second opinion and "doctor shop" to get the answer they want. I've seen it happen plenty of times. 

Bulldog 19 posted:
RJM posted:

I don't believe advising to get a second opinion is piling on. That I didn't insist my son get a second opinion was a bad decision. It's not just college programs that sometimes push players back on the field. I've read plenty of stories of MLBers and their agents at odds with MLB team physicians.

I'm not (completely) disagreeing with your initial post. But I did feel like there were plenty of replies who were simply bashing the medical staffs of teams/schools. Maybe that's me taking it personally because I am a part of a school medical staff..

I agree that there are times where a second opinion is necessary and warranted. But I also think that at times parents and patients jump to a second opinion and "doctor shop" to get the answer they want. I've seen it happen plenty of times. 

Second opinions are not always necessary. But if a player returns and the problem still exists, a second opinion should be considered.  The only one who can make that happen is the player, who must be honest and up front with his trainer, coaches and himself.  

I am assuming this is what happened in this situation.

 

 

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