Getting Tough On Pitches Who Hit Batters?

Just goes to show that even CNN hires fools.

This is a shining example of the differences between print and internet journalism. In print, there would be an editor with experience in the subject asking the reporter to please pull his head out of his derriere because his rules suggestions would encourage batters trying to be hit. On the internet, some **** took a couple of minutes away from surfing his **** and ran spell checker on the piece and checked it for grammar.

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I don't mind the line of thinking, but he had to sensationalize it to make sure you'd post it here.

I'm thinking the story was reprinted from the The onion. They can't be serious. The first line in the story was laugh out loud stupid.

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New York Yankees future Hall of Fame third baseman Alex Rodriguez is returning to the lineup

To completely ignore Arod's steroid admissions and their obvious ramifications is ludicrous.

This is terrilbe:

Comparing Baseball to Football concussions is like comparing Apples to Oranges.

Maybe we should remove the headfirst slide. Or if a player loses his helmet during a slide he has to go back a base.

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Originally posted by MTH:
What a dumb idea.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/03/...ndex.html?hpt=hp_bn7

To steal a line from Jack Lambert, "Why don't we just put dresses on them?"

LOL...I have a bucket of "Incrediballs" that CNN can use in their company league

St Lawrence College needs to start a football team & make prestigious libtard professor Dr Mills the tackling dummy.

I don't think this author has ever played any baseball or has a clue.

However, I like the idea of awarding a runner scoring position on a knobball. Throwing at the head should be penalized more than getting drilled in the arm, leg or back.

I kind of agree that it might be good to give a guy two bases on a head shot but the rest of this guy's ideas border on idiocy!

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Originally posted by journey2:
St Lawrence College needs to start a football team & make prestigious libtard professor Dr Mills the tackling dummy.

Stupid post of the day.

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Originally posted by journey2:
St Lawrence College needs to start a football team & make prestigious libtard professor Dr Mills the tackling dummy.

As the parent of a Conservatvely Challenged Child, I find this kind of language offensive and hurtful. If you could just spend one day with my libtarded kid, you would realize that he is a true joy to be around, and you'd probably realize that he's got some really awesome, special ideas. I mean, who's to say that, for example, medical marijuana couldn't be used to help pitchers "relax a bit, so they don't get so angry about people pimping their HR's, which is really no biggie..."

From the article "Baseball, get tough on pitchers who hit batters"

Rule 1: A batter struck above the chest should be given second base and thus put in a position to score on a single.

Rule 2: A pitcher who hits a second batter in a game should face automatic ejection and a fine of $10,000, no matter where his pitch lands.

Rule 3: Make a team, not just an individual pitcher, accountable for hit batters. Under this rule a team would be able to get away with hitting only one batter per game.

Rule 4: Increase pitcher liability for a hit batsman. Make any pitcher who forces an opponent out of the lineup remain out of his own team's lineup for the same number of games as the injured opponent.

So what's wrong with these rules? I've heard no meaningful explanations.

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
From the article "Baseball, get tough on pitchers who hit batters"

Rule 1: A batter struck above the chest should be given second base and thus put in a position to score on a single.

Rule 2: A pitcher who hits a second batter in a game should face automatic ejection and a fine of $10,000, no matter where his pitch lands.

Rule 3: Make a team, not just an individual pitcher, accountable for hit batters. Under this rule a team would be able to get away with hitting only one batter per game.

Rule 4: Increase pitcher liability for a hit batsman. Make any pitcher who forces an opponent out of the lineup remain out of his own team's lineup for the same number of games as the injured opponent.

So what's wrong with these rules? I've heard no meaningful explanations.

off hand, I would say that the random paths of a thrown balls, even ones thrown by professionals, would make these rules unenforceable in a fair and consistent manner.....sometimes baseballs dont go where you want them to....

What the writer is intending to legislate is the intentional hitting of batters....which we currently have rules for.

These rules, if to ever be applied fairly, would require someone, most probably the umpires, to determine intent.....or we would have unintended results...

An example....a pitcher hits a batter earlier in the game........then in the next inning he throws a 58 foot curve ball that hits the dirt and strikes the batter....a HBP....under these rules he would then be automatically ejected and fined 10K.....and if he injured the batter he would be out of the lineup..... on a clearly non-intentional HBP...

And I hesitated to include this but MLB rule changes require the approval of the players union......that isnt likely to happen...

I suggest leaving the rules where they are....

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Rule 1: A batter struck above the chest should be given second base and thus put in a position to score on a single.

Rule 2: A pitcher who hits a second batter in a game should face automatic ejection and a fine of $10,000, no matter where his pitch lands.

Rule 3: Make a team, not just an individual pitcher, accountable for hit batters. Under this rule a team would be able to get away with hitting only one batter per game.

Rule 4: Increase pitcher liability for a hit batsman. Make any pitcher who forces an opponent out of the lineup remain out of his own team's lineup for the same number of games as the injured opponent.

So what's wrong with these rules? I've heard no meaningful explanations.

#1 A guy ducks and a ball glances off the back of his helmet that otherwise would have hit him in the bicep. Does he get the extra base?

#2 Is it not possible for a pitcher to accidentally hit two batters in a game? Perhaps he comes a little inside and catches the batter's jersey in the first inning and throws a slider in the dirt that catches a foot in the 5th inning. Completely common, and unintentional acts that now warrant ejection?

3# See #2 and... If the umpires issue a warning, it is for the entire team. Any further hit batters will probably result in suspensions and fines. No need for a new rule.

#4 Let's say CC hits Taylor Teagarden accidentally and he's going to be out with a bone bruise. Just how hard do you think the Orioles would be pushing to get him back in the lineup? Maybe he needs a rehab assignment game or 2 or 6 in the minors. Playoff time coming up - maybe it would be safer to just shut Taylor down until spring training...

These rules make as much sense as putting helmets on the base coaches in response to a freak injury that the helmets wouldn't even prevent.

I like rule #1 if applied to an intentional hit by pitch, although I would add to the punishment a $50,000 fine to the pitcher and the manager, and ejection of both.

Rule #4 could apply to Rule #1 if the batter is forced out of the lineup for an injury caused by an intentional hit by pitch.

Nicolaus Mills is professor of American studies at Sarah Lawrence College.

Like me telling a brain surgeon how to operate!!!!

They deserve to be plunked. They're hogging the inside half wearing gear that makes them more Armadillo than human.

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:

So what's wrong with these rules? I've heard no meaningful explanations.

Watch Carlos Quentin hang over the plate once and you'll understand why these are absurd.

Several years ago, west coast college teams were being taught to turn into and lean into inside pitches. The number of 1st base awards was unbelievable. The next year the NCAA changed the rules about batters crowding the plate and intentionally getting in the way of inside pitches and awards to 1st base came to a grinding halt.

If there were a two hit batsman auto eject rule, it would insure that staff aces could no longer work inside to hitters.

The big lie, which is the premise of this piece, is that pitching inside results in potentially career ending injuries like concussions. Paul Konerko's most recent was caused by an elbow while fielding at first. Justin Morneau's was caused by a head first slide, as was Alejandro DeAza's. Outfielders suffer far more concussions from collisions than all of MLB batters combined by being hit by pitch.

Buzzing the tower is how you keep a guy who has a hole in his swing on the inside, the size of a basketball, from standing way off the plate and then leaning over the plate to cover the outside edge. Without that, batters get too much plate coverage and pitching inside becomes obsolete.

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Originally posted by Will:
Nicolaus Mills is professor of American studies at Sarah Lawrence College.

Like me telling a brain surgeon how to operate!!!!

Mmmmm...I'm thinking its more like telling a brain surgeon how to pour a cup of coffee.

In the last three years my son's college team has had nine HBP and eleven HBP in a single game. That might wipe out a whole pitching staff.

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Originally posted by Bum:
They deserve to be plunked. They're hogging the inside half wearing gear that makes them more Armadillo than human.

Spoken like someone who has never been hit by a 90 mph fastball.

I've been hit by a 90 mph fastball more than a few times, and I agree with Bum.

The ridiculous armor batters are allowed to wear take away the inside of the plate for pitchers.

Its supposed to hurt getting hit by a pitch.

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Originally posted by J H:
I've been hit by a 90 mph fastball more than a few times, and I agree with Bum.

The ridiculous armor batters are allowed to wear take away the inside of the plate for pitchers.

Its supposed to hurt getting hit by a pitch.

What's wrong with wearing "armor" while batting? A good pitcher can still work the plate.

And why is it supposed to hurt getting hit by a pitch? Is that a MLB rule that I missed?

I have no problem with equipment such as Evoshield, which provides protective injury-prevention measures for such scenarios. However when the equipment provided enables a hitter to effectively dive over the plate, it alters his approach and thus drastically changes the way an at-bat is taken.

Its supposed to hurt because a baseball is hard and moving quickly. Its pretty simple physics.

This video is a great example of why this is a bad idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded

Great call by the ump - and I supposed the suggestion could be modified to exclude this type of behavior but so much depends on how good of an actor the batter is... This second video's hitter won't win the award either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...index=4&feature=plcp

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Originally posted by 08Dad:
This video is a great example of why this is a bad idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded

Great call by the ump - and I supposed the suggestion could be modified to exclude this type of behavior but so much depends on how good of an actor the batter is... This second video's hitter won't win the award either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...index=4&feature=plcp

I was hoping the kid got plunked by the next pitch.

I guess the K was almost as good though.

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
I like rule #1 if applied to an intentional hit by pitch, although I would add to the punishment a $50,000 fine to the pitcher and the manager, and ejection of both.

Rule #4 could apply to Rule #1 if the batter is forced out of the lineup for an injury caused by an intentional hit by pitch.

I have never heard of a player getting seriously hurt by an intentional pitch, can you name a situation in which one has?

Sabathia threw an inside pitch last night and hurt Markakis who will most likely be out for a few weeks. So should he be fined? Have to sit time out? It was not intentional.

How about the ball that comes back to the pitcher and does serious harm, there is an A's pitcher in the hospital with a serious brain injury getting hit by pitch. It was not intentional.

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Originally posted by TPM:
I have never heard of a player getting seriously hurt by an intentional pitch, can you name a situation in which one has?

You're not going to, either. You'll never find a battery who admit they called a bean-ball, after a game where someone was seriously injured by it. In fact, I'd wager that every serious HBP injury in the history of ever, was an "acccident".

The Tony Conigliaro/Jack Hamilton case is a good example.

I'm not arguing for changing the rules, I think its an important part of baseball. I'm just saying this doesn't really support the safety of the point.

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Originally posted by 08Dad:
This video is a great example of why this is a bad idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded

Great call by the ump - and I supposed the suggestion could be modified to exclude this type of behavior but so much depends on how good of an actor the batter is... This second video's hitter won't win the award either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...index=4&feature=plcp

I went and dug out my headphones so I could watch and listen to the first video on my iPad and not bother my sleeping wife.

And it's in Korean and I couldn't understand a single word of it.

If you post one more foreign language video I propose you be fined $10,000 and be ejected from the HSBBW!

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:

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Originally posted by 08Dad:
This video is a great example of why this is a bad idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded

Great call by the ump - and I supposed the suggestion could be modified to exclude this type of behavior but so much depends on how good of an actor the batter is... This second video's hitter won't win the award either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...index=4&feature=plcp

I went and dug out my headphones so I could watch and listen to the first video on my iPad and not bother my sleeping wife.

And it's in Korean and I couldn't understand a single word of it.

If you post one more foreign language video I propose you be fined $10,000 and be ejected from the HSBBW!

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