girls on the freshman baseball team

Orlando,
Are you going to tell me there isn't a difference between men and women when it comes to most sports? Men are generally stronger and faster than women, and the the best men are stronger and faster than the best women. The fact is that most sports were designed by men for men. There are a few sports where one might expect a few women to be able to compete on an equal basis with men here and there such as golf and bowling where skill is such a large factor and other sports that are purely skill based such as shooting, or race car driving where there shouldn't be any difference at all. But most sports are based on strength and speed as well as skill and in that case men have an advantage.

njbb,
Umpires and front office personnel.

I have a daughter.
She wants to play baseball.
Not softball, not water polo, not tennis,...baseball.

Can you blame her?

Problem is, there are no girl baseball teams to be found. That's a shame.

TR:

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Bottom line: God created baseball for men

I'm gonna shoot straight here and tell you how you like it. No fluff and straight to the point, but shouted loudly through a bullhorn:
Hands down, in my opinion, that's the most ridiculous statement and sorriest thing I have EVER heard you say.



Rob,...I was just teasin' about the " Put em'up " fightin' part. For the record, I don't hit men either.

I wasn't comparing track to football.
I brought up track and s****r with regards to your quote:

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The simple fact is, in competitive (larger) high school athletics there is simply no way that a girl can compete.

You asked me if the 11th grade girls are outrunning the boys? And my honest answer is I dont know. We arent there yet and so I havent checked. But I will. I too am curious to know.
All I know now is that my daughter compares her times to her brothers back when he was running track in 8th grade. As long as she can compete, or better yet beat his old times, she's happy! ( regardless of any highschool 9th grade boy she out ran. )

As to your doubting of the quality of athlete on our boys 6A s****r team, you'de have to talk to the college coaches who have recruited them.


I don't agree with your opinion up above, but I respect that you have the right to your opinion. It's all good on this end, as I hope it is on yours.
( even if I think you are wrong- ha! )

If you will allow, next cold beverage ( your choice ) is on moi'!

shortstopmom,
Then the solution is women's baseball teams instead of softball teams. There's women's basketball at the collegiate level and in a manner of speaking at the pro level. The only thing standing in the way of women's baseball in HS and college is softball.

I wonder how many ( if any ) current female softball players would jump at the chance, if given one, to play baseball?

shortstopmom

You are entitled to your opinion--even if I do not agree

I guess TR we agree to disagree.
That's at least progress.

I'll edit the rest of my reply myself, and remain cordial.

Lets put it this way do any of you truly think the best female softball players could hit JABA or Johann etc

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Can a girl legally play on the girls baseball team in our school in NJ.

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...Is this true? Does anyone know if this is an actual Rule and if it holds water at least here in NEW jERSEY?

Sorry baseballlouie,..I havent a clue.

She can play on the baseball team if the school allows it or if there is no softball team.

For the people that think Myth: Title IX forces schools to cut men's sports.



Fact: Title IX in no way requires schools to cut men's sports. "Nothing in Title IX requires the cutting or reduction of teams in order to demonstrate compliance." (DOE) All federal courts to consider the question have agreed. Some schools have decided on their own to eliminate certain men's sports, but the law is flexible. There are many other ways to come into compliance. Some schools have cut sports, like gymnastics and wrestling, rather than controlling bloated football and basketball budgets, which consume a whopping 72% of the average Division I-A school's total men's athletic operating budget. For example, San Diego State University decided to address its $2 million budget deficit by cutting its men's volleyball team instead of cutting slightly into the $5 million football budget. But there are other options: A recent GAO study found that 72% of schools that added teams from 1992-1993 to 1999-2000 did so without discontinuing any teams

Lets see it took us about 140 yrs to get the right to even vote........wonder how long it will be before women will be a part of baseball.......other than giving birth to the players...........


njbb
without woman there would be no baseball. it doesn't get any bigger than that.lol.

not intended to ruffle feathers.

Thank goodness for that 20dad!




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Originally posted by shortstopmom:
I wonder how many ( if any ) current female softball players would jump at the chance, if given one, to play baseball?

There are two living in MY house...there is a girl down the street.....we actually do know the girl woman who is already playing on a college men's team....I remember there is another member who posts whose daughter was looking for a team last year....there's shortstopmom's daughter---and that is just off the top of my li'l ol' head....Not too mention those who are already playing...see my previous post with all the links to women's baseball!

SSMom: absolutely - good will on both sides!

Also: although it is my opinion that it is very, very rare for a girl to be able to compete in baseball at the varsity level, I have absolutely no problem at all with a girl trying. If she is good enough, I think she should make the team.

And I can guarantee you my son would feel the same way. He would respect a girl who was actually good enough to play.

But I still think it would be extremely rare.

One of the many, many things I love about baseball is that it doesn't require a Body Type. David Eckstein, John Kruk, Frank Thomas, Kirby Puckett, Ozzie Smith, Albert Pujols....all stars of the game.

Who can say with any authority that women can't compete when they aren't given equal (in chances and attitude) opportunites?

Given the stereotype of slight Japanese and Korean men, who, say 30 years ago, would have predicted their entry into MLB now?

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Can a girl legally play on the girls baseball team in our school in NJ.

Since it is a girl's baseball team, why wouldn't a girl be allowed to play?

sure girls/young ladies can play baseball. Whats stopping you from asking? Why don't you write a letter to the AD and send one to your local goverment offical. See what there answer is and get back to us, mom.



drill

Couldn't post link

but google girls of summer for info regarding women in baseball

I tried njbb...I really did. Here's what I got...

SUMMERVILLE BEACH, NOVA SCOTIA



Summerville is the ultimate holiday destination for ocean people and confused folks trying to navigate the internet early on a Saturday morning. You'll love the salt air, walking on the beach and the sound of the waves. When you go looking for holiday accommodations you don't want an ocean view...you want ocean spray on your windows! Cranberry juice on my windows? Does it work better than Windex©? This is one of Nova Scotia's best kept secrets. I know I had never heard of it.


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http://www.exploratorium.edu/baseball/girlsofsummer.html

Is this it?

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But I do stand by my statement. I have never once seen a single female who could compete on a competitive high school football team. If there is an exception somewhere, then it is an exception that proves the rule.

We had a girl come out for football a few years ago. Our school also has no cuts; if you survive you make the team

She came out for camp and brought the newspaper people with her. Lasted all of 10 minutes. She couldn't even get through WARMUPS!!


We see a few teams in the area that do not have girls s****r at their high school. The girls are allowed to play on the boys team. But I'm pretty sure that a boy would not be allowed to go out for a girls team.

Maybe it's time we eliminate "boys basketball" and "girls basketball" and just go with "basketball" as a school sport. Any boy or girl can come out for the team, but only the best 15 make the Varsity. Do that with all of the sports. What do you think?

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And if your girls s****r teams can beat the boys, I'll lay odds that it's because the best athletes are playing other sports.

Mia Hamm was once asked about playing in the MLS. She laughed and explained there's no comparison between mens and womens sports once physical development has taken place. She said the Women's Team USA S****r World Champions struggled in scrimmages against the top American U19 boys travel teams.

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Originally posted by spizzlepop:

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But I do stand by my statement. I have never once seen a single female who could compete on a competitive high school football team. If there is an exception somewhere, then it is an exception that proves the rule.

How about a D1 football team Rob?


"The simple fact is, in competitive (larger) high school athletics there is simply no way that a girl can compete."

Rules like that are made to be broken.

I believe that's New Mexico State. That girl was not the first or second stroing kicker. I believe she attempted one kick all season. There was also a story behind her being allowed to be on the team.

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This is a baseball site, so, I would imagine, we all have sons. I don't see how the occasional daughter playing ball is of concern, but I do get my back up when female athletes are dismissed (the annual rowing team comment, for example), or excluded.

I made the remark about the rowing team. I also have a daughter who is a college athlete. The neighbor/rower is not an athlete.

When the high school softball field isn't on par with the baseball field, wave Title IX. When the girl's locker room issn't on par with the boy's locker room, wave Title IX. But I don't want to see Title IX waved when the inequity is caused by lack of interest, which is the case where colleges have to drag young women off the campus sidewalks to fill a quota.

Maybe I was irked by a comment the mother made at a block party. She said she always thought college kids had to be good athletes to participte. She didn't realize anyone can play college sports and it doesn't take any effort before college.

My only response was "Yeah, Penn State puts a sign out Labor Day weekend, 'Who wants to play football?'" I think she believed me.

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I believe that's New Mexico State. That girl was not the first or second stroing kicker. I believe she attempted one kick all season. There was also a story behind her being allowed to be on the team.

UNM, and there's a lot more to her story than being allowed on the team. She was respected and admired by her teammates here for her work ethic and attitude. She also had a pretty decent HS career.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hnida

Thank goodness someone clarifed the college--I was going crazy to see why son's alma mater NMSU did such a thing

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Originally posted by 20dad:
...other than giving birth to the players.....
without woman there would be no baseball. it doesn't get any bigger than that.lol.

RU happy?

Didn't Man Give Up A Rib?

(or something like that?)

What feathers?

For the record, big time Women's Fastpitch Softball is unable to compete against big time Men's Fastpitch Softball. Period.

(even though Women are seen getting big time TV, dollars & scholarships.)

cheers

For the record, big time Women's Golf is unable to compete against big time Men's Golf. Period.

(even though Women's Golf are handicapped!)

cheers

For the record, big time Women's Collegiate Basketball is unable to compete against big time Men's Collegiate Basketball. Period.

(even though Women want to get big time TV, dollars & scholarships.)

cheers

For the record, big time Women's Bowling is unable to compete against big time Men's Bowling. Period.


cheers

For the record, big time Women's Hockey does not exist. Period.

cheers

For the record, big time Women's Field Hockey is unable to compete against big time Men's Field Hockey. Period.

(Outside of the USA, Men's Field Hockey is internationally huge.)

cheers

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When the high school softball field isn't on par with the baseball field, wave Title IX. When the girl's locker room issn't on par with the boy's locker room, wave Title IX.

I disagree to an extent. If the baseball parents fundraise to make their field nice, then it shouldn't be the school or the baseball parents' fault when the softball parents won't do the fundraising to make the softball field nice as well.

For the record, .....get it?

cheers

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I disagree to an extent. If the baseball parents fundraise to make their field nice, then it shouldn't be the school or the baseball parents' fault when the softball parents won't do the fundraising to make the softball field nice as well.

My statement was about unequal budgets being put into the boys and girls facilities. There was no mention of fundraising. Our school district was sued. They had to straighten out the inequities in the facilities. Until then, the school maintained the baseball field. Parents maintained the softball field when the unionized groundskeepers weren't around on the weekends. One season we had to pull weeds out of the infield. That's when a parent got fed up and filed the lawsuit.

Not to get caught up in this debate, but congratulations to Danica Patrick. I pull for her in every race.

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My statement was about unequal budgets being put into the boys and girls facilities. There was no mention of fundraising. Our school district was sued. They had to straighten out the inequities in the facilities. Until then, the school maintained the baseball field. Parents maintained the softball field when the unionized groundskeepers weren't around on the weekends. One season we had to pull weeds out of the infield. That's when a parent got fed up and filed the lawsuit.

Wouldn't the budget be different depending on the amount of fundraising done?

I know there was a story down in Florida last year or maybe a couple years ago where two girls and their parents sued the school because the baseball field had bleachers, nice grass, scoreboard, and a concession stand all done through parents and fundraising. The softball team, OTOH, did very little fundraising. They sued the school and won.

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Wouldn't the budget be different depending on the amount of fundraising done?

Fundraising is not part of the conversation. You keep trying to inject it. The conversaton is about a school AD providing inequitable budgets and facilties to the boys and girls programs.

From my daughter's senior year: Softball players with college offers - 9. Baseball players - 2. Softball conference titles in the previous four years - 4. Baseball team - not one winning season.

Do you think the inequity was fair? It was illegal according to Title IX. If you want to get into fundraising, the softball team raised a bunch of money. The baseball team raised next to nothing because the coach was a loser (seventeen losing seasons in twenty years). Fortunately he was fired the year before my son got to high school.

As far as attendence goes three times as many people watched the softball games as baseball. And baseball never had 1,000 people watching a district playoff. Of course baseball would have to qualify for one to have anyone attend.

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I know there was a story down in Florida last year or maybe a couple years ago where two girls and their parents sued the school because the baseball field had bleachers, nice grass, scoreboard, and a concession stand all done through parents and fundraising. The softball team, OTOH, did very little fundraising. They sued the school and won.

The reason they won is Title IX doesn't care where the money comes from. When all school budgeting and fundraising nets out, the spending on the genders over the course of the year must be equal. If not one side has to give to the other. I don't find this to be fair regarding fuindraising, but it's the law. Fortunately this year our baseball and softball programs worked hand in hand to raise money for new field improvements the AD wouldn't budget.

Its in the game - it isnt in the NCAA political agenda - it isnt in fundraising - and it isnt in some hack newspaper.

It is on the field.

No distraction - regardless of how powerful - or how well financed - will ever change it.

Even socialism cannot change the most basic of facts.

It is in the game.
And anyone who watches it with a truthful eye - cant miss it.

The rest is just BS.