For me any athlete who fails out the onus falls on him because he did not take advantage of the resources and support available to him--in most cases the failure comes from a simple fact such as then player not even attending classes and turning in assignments.
I dont want to hear the "we feel for him and his family" bit-- son they are paying(scholarship) for you to be there--do your job in turn---it matters not what conference either.
This is funny!
Personal experience: MAJOR TALENT and reasonable evidence that player willing to work toward grades will get you in ACC or SEC. The better programs closely monitor grade situation and offer solutions. Son's close friend did not have min.GPA standard or SAT min for his SEC school, coaches brought him up summer before freshman year, he took a few classes, and has worked hard to keep up grades, and he paid off for coaches, he's everyday starter.
Others really have answered question best with stressing the importance of grades, but student that may be average SAT, might work harder to keep up GPA, smart coaches do not want to lose a scholly to grades, don't want to loose a good player to lower standards elsewhere. Kinda common sense, player do your best to give yourself "grade insurance", parent, do your homework on school.
Personal experience: MAJOR TALENT and reasonable evidence that player willing to work toward grades will get you in ACC or SEC. The better programs closely monitor grade situation and offer solutions. Son's close friend did not have min.GPA standard or SAT min for his SEC school, coaches brought him up summer before freshman year, he took a few classes, and has worked hard to keep up grades, and he paid off for coaches, he's everyday starter.
Others really have answered question best with stressing the importance of grades, but student that may be average SAT, might work harder to keep up GPA, smart coaches do not want to lose a scholly to grades, don't want to loose a good player to lower standards elsewhere. Kinda common sense, player do your best to give yourself "grade insurance", parent, do your homework on school.
It's a heck of a lot harder staying in a school than getting in in the first place.
Tr points out good reasons why an athlete fails. Further will show that, the recruit may have not been a good choice academically to begin with, and he could not keep up the teh schedule and basketball at teh same time. No need to name any player and just so you know folks, happens everywhere in any program, all sports.
Bear has got my intrest peaked, going to do some research through the ACC on academics in the baseball program within the conference. I thik it unfair for teh Duke comments along with making folks think that some schools' standards for baseball recruiting is way below the required SAT and GPA for all admissions to that particular school. I just know my son was recruited to 3 ACC schools and I know what was required academically from him. I can tell you this much, his scholarship is not based on academics, his SAT score did not make the 1250 mark. So what I read here, for academic standards (2.5 and 950) is completely out of whack with what we were told from 3 schools.
Bear has got my intrest peaked, going to do some research through the ACC on academics in the baseball program within the conference. I thik it unfair for teh Duke comments along with making folks think that some schools' standards for baseball recruiting is way below the required SAT and GPA for all admissions to that particular school. I just know my son was recruited to 3 ACC schools and I know what was required academically from him. I can tell you this much, his scholarship is not based on academics, his SAT score did not make the 1250 mark. So what I read here, for academic standards (2.5 and 950) is completely out of whack with what we were told from 3 schools.
I think we all kinda know the answers. If we look in the Princeton review at the avg admissions requirements for the freshman class then look at what our kids have/had, then we know the answer is yes, there are some exceptions. Every program that spoke with us from the top conferences down, all had a few spots that they had wiggle room with. My son was not a 1250 guy either but he did very well and had a very good GPA. (My younger son needs the kick) Many doors were opened because of his grades and he had no admissions issues.
I do know for a fact that MD was recruiting a player and backed off because of his grades and he had no problem with 8-10 other schools making offers of which none were ACC. He did sign a NLI with a top conference team.
We had one school admit a player academically and tell him he still had to take the SAT 2 more times, not for admission purposes but because they know each time you take them you go up a little and this would help the avg freshman SAT for the school.
No coach wants to lose a player, scholarship and spot due to poor grades. Yes, it happens.
I do know for a fact that MD was recruiting a player and backed off because of his grades and he had no problem with 8-10 other schools making offers of which none were ACC. He did sign a NLI with a top conference team.
We had one school admit a player academically and tell him he still had to take the SAT 2 more times, not for admission purposes but because they know each time you take them you go up a little and this would help the avg freshman SAT for the school.
No coach wants to lose a player, scholarship and spot due to poor grades. Yes, it happens.
Good post Coach Merc...still don't think it's a "conference thing", UM is in ACC and they have plenty of "wiggle room"! All conferences, all schools want good grades and talent, some make more "wiggle room" than others.
Oh my. "Kinda common sense" was not directed at you. Your question was a good valid question. More a comment on entire thread. Very sorry if I offended you in any way.
Coach Merc, if is thinking about the same player that was on the Terp radar screen,
then he is correct.
Except for one IA every four years,
Terp Baseball has NO wriggle room. Period.
At the last of Terp AD Staff Meetings, Coach
Fridge emphatically re-emphasized
....if that free safety HS prospect can not get thru Terp admissions, why has he been accepted to 'many other' ACC schools!
CananyonecangetintoFSU?
With regards to academics, it is a NCAA mandate that all senior athletes hold a least a 2.0 cumulative GPA after the fall semester to be eligeable for athletics in the spring.
It is NOT a dismissal from the school (as implied by several posters).
In addition, the young man has stated "I'll learn from this experience" and will continue to pursue a BS degree in criminal justice, (where he appears to be need 12 + 3 credits to graduate.....on time!).
And to those who played at a high level D1 sport program and obtained a degree, will know exactly what is being said by the young man.
Rizzi, did we miss you at Cherry Hill this year?
Ran into several posters, Thur night and all day Fri. It's unfortanate that Cherry Hill cost's more than the National Convention. (Might also be better!)
then he is correct.
Except for one IA every four years,
Terp Baseball has NO wriggle room. Period.
At the last of Terp AD Staff Meetings, Coach
Fridge emphatically re-emphasized
....if that free safety HS prospect can not get thru Terp admissions, why has he been accepted to 'many other' ACC schools!
CananyonecangetintoFSU?
With regards to academics, it is a NCAA mandate that all senior athletes hold a least a 2.0 cumulative GPA after the fall semester to be eligeable for athletics in the spring.
It is NOT a dismissal from the school (as implied by several posters).
In addition, the young man has stated "I'll learn from this experience" and will continue to pursue a BS degree in criminal justice, (where he appears to be need 12 + 3 credits to graduate.....on time!).
And to those who played at a high level D1 sport program and obtained a degree, will know exactly what is being said by the young man.
Rizzi, did we miss you at Cherry Hill this year?
Ran into several posters, Thur night and all day Fri. It's unfortanate that Cherry Hill cost's more than the National Convention. (Might also be better!)
With regards to SATs..has anyone's son used the online SAT study tutorial that Collegeboard.com offers?
quote:Originally posted by Bee>:
3) is Toledo the new Ivy of the Heartland?
You sure know how to hurt a former Redskin.
quote:You sure know how to hurt a former Redskin.
ooops . . I'm sure that was a keyboard error
soo . . . . what exactly is a "redhawk"??
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Newcomer....we purchased an on-line tutorial from the Princeton Review....it was a tremendous help....and significanly raised son's SAT scores. Can't say enough about how good it was.....audio, and hard copy also provided......we purchased it 2 years ago.....$400.00. Seems like a lot of money.....but based on his SAT's and GPA.....son is receiving an academic scholarhip that makes the $400.00 the best investment, for return on the dollar, that we will probably ever make....
Two things.....before purchasing the tutorial.....we got a committment from son that he would make the time to study....he promised...and understood there would be consequences if he did not.....
Secondly.....I can only speak for the Princeton Reveiw tutorial....do not have any info on others that may be out there.....
Good luck!
Two things.....before purchasing the tutorial.....we got a committment from son that he would make the time to study....he promised...and understood there would be consequences if he did not.....
Secondly.....I can only speak for the Princeton Reveiw tutorial....do not have any info on others that may be out there.....
Good luck!
First....Princeton gave us an initial time limit.....think 6 months....not sure....then you can renew per month for minimal fee....
We did not set a timetable for him....rather we said.....you will be taking the SAT's in 6 months.....you must finish the tutorial by then.....and he did......he paced himself....
The convenience was wonderful.....unlike the local classes that were being offered....for $900.00.....he would not have attended half of them with his baseball schedule.....the object was not to punish him by taking away baseball....but to help him.....and this did the job.
Need to add.....we made a deal......if he got 1300 on his SAT's and maintained his 4.0 GPA....he could get that long sought after tattoo on his 18th birthday.....it worked.....
Now....the second tattoo....recently obtained at the ripe old age of 19.....that's another story.....
We did not set a timetable for him....rather we said.....you will be taking the SAT's in 6 months.....you must finish the tutorial by then.....and he did......he paced himself....
The convenience was wonderful.....unlike the local classes that were being offered....for $900.00.....he would not have attended half of them with his baseball schedule.....the object was not to punish him by taking away baseball....but to help him.....and this did the job.
Need to add.....we made a deal......if he got 1300 on his SAT's and maintained his 4.0 GPA....he could get that long sought after tattoo on his 18th birthday.....it worked.....
Now....the second tattoo....recently obtained at the ripe old age of 19.....that's another story.....
momandcpa....you need to visit the ladies forum....to repeat the details would still be too painful...