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As some of you have read on another thread, my son, a high school senior catcher, has suffered a possible UCL tear and might be facing Tommy John surgery, depending on the results the MRI shows. We'll know more in a week or so, and I'll update here when we find out.

I've been trying to learn everything I can, not only about the injury and surgery, but also about how it might affect his college baseball options, and academic options once he enters college. I remembered a friend who's son, a kicker at the University of Oregon, broke his kicking foot in the summer before his freshman year. The dad told me about his son "Gray Shirting" and taking classes while not even being considered a student yet at Oregon or any other college. He entered college a year later with quite a few credits earned, even though he was a true freshman, not a red shirt freshman. I didn't think much about this when he originally told me about it 5 years ago, but now it has become of great interest since there is a real possibility that my son won't be ready to play by next January. When my friend's son finished his college football career, he'd already earned his bachelors degree and was working on his masters. How many student athletes can say that?

On Saturday, I went to the juco that my son will be attending next year and talked with the Head Coach about his injury and how it might impact his prospects for playing baseball next year. One thing I asked the coach about was the difference between Gray Shirting and Red Shirting. The coach is very favorable about the concept of Gray Shirting, and told me that he and the AD expect many jucos to embrace Gray Shirting next year, especially in consideration of the new NCAA credit requirements for 3 year juco transfers. While we agreed to talk about it more at a later date, he left me with the impression that he'd much prefer my son to Gray Shirt than seek a medical Red Shirt if not ready to play.

The coach explained that Gray Shirting is very simple, and effective in helping a student earn enough credits to transfer at the end of three years. He said that for a player who's likely to be Red Shirted his first year or who has a serious injury, it might be the best approach to take if a student wants to play sports all the way through college. The coach explained that the student simply has to take fewer classes his first year, less than 12 units per semester. They are considered a part-time student instead of full time, and the clock on their 4 or 5 years doesn't start ticking until they enroll full time with at least 12 units per semester. He explained that my son could take 9-11 units per semester and not even be considered as having enrolled for eligibility purposes and he could then begin school a year later completely healthy and ready to go, while also entering with up to 22 credits already completed before ever becoming a full time student. Since my son has some transferable credits from high school classes, he might be able to enter Jr. College with up to 25 credits earned before the clock begins ticking. Given that my son is only an average student, this could be a huge benefit in helping him have enough credits to go on to play at a 4-year school, regardless of his injury.

Does anyone have experience with this? If so, I'd love to hear your comments and suggestions. I'm sure that many others would also benefit by learning about this seldom used option. With the new, more stringent requirements for 3-year juco transfers; Gray Shirting is something that many of us probably need to learn more about.
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Have no experience...but there was an earlier thread here where most of this stuff was discussed...not as thoroughly as you have stated it, but with more subjective opinions

We have a "young" senior at home. He is young, a late maturer, not highly academic and a big guy which all work against him...Though he is a 6'6" LHP he does not have the velocity to be highly recruited but may in a year when he hardens up...We are pondering the same options as you are...going through the exact same questions...and am echoing your post...in terms of my understanding of the thing...

Request: Please explain this (the new NCAA requirements) to me in more detail....

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The coach is very favorable about the concept of Gray Shirting, and told me that he and the AD expect many jucos to embrace Gray Shirting next year, especially in consideration of the new NCAA credit requirements for 3 year juco transfers


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With the new, more stringent requirements for 3-year juco transfers;


I think I understand but may not, bring me up to the "new" speed please...



After throwing around the Greyshirting concept for a few months it looks like this..IMO...


Negatives...

- The emotional cost and risk of working on your game for a season without getting to play or dress out..

- The cost of attending school w/o as much/any fiancial aid as you are not a full time student

- Might blossum in a 4 year environment and flouder in a JC one


Positives...

- Year older, stronger bigger..

- Still have 5 years left...(still have a redshirt year)..

- Way ahead academcially...and a chance to really refocus on studies..

- Chance for a coach to really get to know the player and work on his game...


Cool 44
If you want my opinion for what it is worth, for injury I would go with the gray shirt. This way you could be more flexible in having the surgery as well, not a we have to do it today kind of thing. JMO.

I am not sure about gray shirting just to get an extra year to "mature". Isn't that usually why many go the Juco route, to mature on the field and in the classroom? In a four year environment, chances are a redshirt year would be needed, still would be sitting it out a year.
To elaborate on what you asked about in the two comments you quoted; the reason the coach thinks Gray Shirting will become more common is the new NCAA requirement that 3 year juco transfering students have 75% of the units completed in Jr. College that they need to earn a bachelors degree. I believe I'm a bit off on the percentage of total units, but pretty close. This is very tough for many juco students to accomplish if they stay there an extra year. The other thing he likes about gray shirting is that it doesn't eliminate the ability to use a red shirt if needed for injury or any other reason. If a student can come into Jr. College with around 20 units completed and then play for two years and transfer on, he should be in great shape to have enough transferable units completed.

I don't know if it would be appropriate to use this concept for anything other than injury, but in that case it might make a lot of sense. What we're looking at is whether he could work out with the juco team while only attending part time. I don't yet know if that is possible, but what we want to avoid is having TJ surgery, and then coming back and not being ready to play. I'm a big believer that at the juco level, you go where you are going to get innings, you don't go to sit on the bench. Regardless of what he does for the 2006/2007 school year, he'll play a lot of summer ball in 2007 to get ready for his first year of jr. college if we go the gray shirt route. We haven't decided yet, but are giving it serious consideration.

Financial aid is a non-issue at California jucos, as they don't have scholarships in our state like they do in some others.
06.....if transferring to an NAIA school is an option later on, be careful about taking 9-11 credit hours. I have not been an NAIA head coach for the last three years now, but in all of my years there, the NAIA considered it to be a full-time semester if a student takes 9+ credit hours (only for the purposes of counting semesters).

In other words, in the NAIA a student-athlete has ten semesters to use his/her eligibility. By taking 9-11 credit hours in a semester, that semester is charged against him in counting those ten semesters.
Grateful, Thank you for that information. I think your post illustrates why we need to learn more about this concept. I'm trying to learn as much as I can about Gray Shirting and didn't know that NAIA rules are different than NCAA rules. I'm sure there is more to Gray Shirting than the basics I've outlined and you've expanded upon.

Please, anyone with more knowledge, share it with us.
06,

The most important point as far as the NCAA is concerned, is that the student athlete has NEVER been more than a part time student (i.e. less than 12 hours). If he started off with a full load and then dropped hours to get below 12, that would not accomplish your objectives. If he's is ever more than twelve hours, the 5 year clock starts ticking.

Good luck with your situation.
The issue as I was led to believe by a D1 coach was a 3rd year JC athlete would have to have about 75% of his units towards graduation. Now the problem with that, is taking classes towards a major. Basically they are not available at a JC. An athlete would have to figure a way to take these classes at a nearby 4 year, online, or some other way so that they could transfer to the destination 4 year. This is the current tranfer guide.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/transfer_guide/2005...6_transfer_guide.pdf

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