Guess the Number of College Grads in MLB?

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
So the moral of the story is to make the MLB you have to be a standout by the time you graduate high school or your chances of making the big leagues is 4.3%?

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
I guess another way I'm looking at is if you are trying to make the big leagues by playing college ball your chances are remote, 4.3%

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So the moral of the story is to make the MLB you have to be a standout by the time you graduate high school or your chances of making the big leagues is 4.3%?

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That is not what the article is about or says.
The article does no reference the number who were drafted from college, are in MLB, but didn't get their degree, to this point.
The number is considerable higher than 4.3%.

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Originally posted by infielddad:

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
I guess another way I'm looking at is if you are trying to make the big leagues by playing college ball your chances are remote, 4.3%

That is not what the article is about or says.
The article does not reference the number who were drafted from college, are in MLB, but didn't get their degree, to this point.
The number is consideraby higher than 4.3%.

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Native fan it might not be as high as you think

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
I'm wondering if a kid doesn't show the tools to be major leaguer by the time he is 18 what his chances to make the big leagues if he tries to go the college route or minor league route?
The reason I'm asking this is if my son who is 13 (7th grader) doesn't demonstrate a high capability of making the majors when he is 18 should I just focus on him getting a degree or trade school certification?

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Originally posted by 06catcherdad:

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
I'm wondering if a kid doesn't show the tools to be major leaguer by the time he is 18 what his chances to make the big leagues if he tries to go the college route or minor league route?
The reason I'm asking this is if my son who is 13 (7th grader) doesn't demonstrate a high capability of making the majors when he is 18 should I just focus on him getting a degree or trade school certification?

No matter how good your son is by 17 or 18, you are doing him a huge disservice if you don't have him on track to go to college. Over 90% of draft eligible high school prospects are guys who should go to college, rather than sign out of high school. The high school player who is actually ready to go straight to professional baseball is a very rare individual if you think about it. The majority of high schoolers who sign and make it to MLB is exceedingly low. The balance of them drop out of baseball and have to get a real job, for which they are most often not well prepared due to lack of formal education.

If your kid grows up to be someone who does in fact get an opportunity to play professional baseball, the odds are heavy that he'll do it after being drafted out of college.

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:

Now if my son is good enough to play college ball but not good enough to play MLB then certainly I want to take advantage of scholarships to help fund college.

It's the piece of paper with little or no cost that I'm after. The education will happen in real life, after college.

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Originally posted by 06catcherdad:
No matter how good your son is by 17 or 18, you are doing him a huge disservice if you don't have him on track to go to college. Over 90% of draft eligible high school prospects are guys who should go to college, rather than sign out of high school. The high school player who is actually ready to go straight to professional baseball is a very rare individual if you think about it. The majority of high schoolers who sign and make it to MLB is exceedingly low. The balance of them drop out of baseball and have to get a real job, for which they are most often not well prepared due to lack of formal education.

If your kid grows up to be someone who does in fact get an opportunity to play professional baseball, the odds are heavy that he'll do it after being drafted out of college.

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:

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Originally posted by 06catcherdad:

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
I'm wondering if a kid doesn't show the tools to be major leaguer by the time he is 18 what his chances to make the big leagues if he tries to go the college route or minor league route?
The reason I'm asking this is if my son who is 13 (7th grader) doesn't demonstrate a high capability of making the majors when he is 18 should I just focus on him getting a degree or trade school certification?

No matter how good your son is by 17 or 18, you are doing him a huge disservice if you don't have him on track to go to college. Over 90% of draft eligible high school prospects are guys who should go to college, rather than sign out of high school. The high school player who is actually ready to go straight to professional baseball is a very rare individual if you think about it. The majority of high schoolers who sign and make it to MLB is exceedingly low. The balance of them drop out of baseball and have to get a real job, for which they are most often not well prepared due to lack of formal education.

If your kid grows up to be someone who does in fact get an opportunity to play professional baseball, the odds are heavy that he'll do it after being drafted out of college.

The odds are (4.3%) that he won't be drafted out of college.

Now if my son is good enough to play college ball but not good enough to play MLB then certainly I want to take advantage of scholarships to help fund college.

It's the piece of paper with little or no cost that I'm after. The education will happen in real life, after college.

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Originally posted by 06catcherdad:
No matter how good your son is by 17 or 18, you are doing him a huge disservice if you don't have him on track to go to college. Over 90% of draft eligible high school prospects are guys who should go to college, rather than sign out of high school. The high school player who is actually ready to go straight to professional baseball is a very rare individual if you think about it. The majority of high schoolers who sign and make it to MLB is exceedingly low. The balance of them drop out of baseball and have to get a real job, for which they are most often not well prepared due to lack of formal education.

If your kid grows up to be someone who does in fact get an opportunity to play professional baseball, the odds are heavy that he'll do it after being drafted out of college.

There was a kid from our high school about five years ahead of my son drafted in the 7th round. He was offered 150K and signed. He passed on a full ride to Stanford. He had been raised by his grandmother. He felt he owed her something and signed.

With a late summer birthday he headed for short season as a 165 pound seventeen year old. He was competing against mostly twenty-one year olds just off their junior year of college. He was completely overwhelmed. He hit very poorly. The hitting affected his emotional state and he also lost it in the field. He was out of baseball after three seasons, two of them in short season.

I spoke to the kid when I ran into him at the baseball facility he was working. He told me he made a huge mistake. He wasn't physically ready for pro ball which wore on him mentally when he failed.

He spent the next three years working at the baseball facility and playing Indy ball. I don't know what he's doing now. But I'll guess it's not at the level of a Stanford grad whether as a pro baseball player or working professional.

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Originally posted by njbb:

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Originally posted by 06catcherdad:
No matter how good your son is by 17 or 18, you are doing him a huge disservice if you don't have him on track to go to college. Over 90% of draft eligible high school prospects are guys who should go to college, rather than sign out of high school. The high school player who is actually ready to go straight to professional baseball is a very rare individual if you think about it. The majority of high schoolers who sign and make it to MLB is exceedingly low. The balance of them drop out of baseball and have to get a real job, for which they are most often not well prepared due to lack of formal education.

If your kid grows up to be someone who does in fact get an opportunity to play professional baseball, the odds are heavy that he'll do it after being drafted out of college.

There was a kid from our high school about five years ahead of my son drafted in the 7th round. He was offered 150K and signed. He passed on a full ride to Stanford. He had been raised by his grandmother. He felt he owed her something and signed.

With a late summer birthday he headed for short season as a 165 pound seventeen year old. He was competing against mostly twenty-one year olds just off their junior year of college. He was completely overwhelmed. He hit very poorly. The hitting affected his emotional state and he also lost it in the field. He was out of baseball after three seasons, two of them in short season.

I spoke to the kid when I ran into him at the baseball facility he was working. He told me he made a huge mistake. He wasn't physically ready for pro ball which wore on him mentally when he failed.

He spent the next three years working at the baseball facility and playing Indy ball. I don't know what he's doing now. But I'll guess it's not at the level of a Stanford grad whether as a pro baseball player or working professional.

He should have gotten the value of a full ride to Stanford along with his signing bonus ( MLB scholarship plan). When he left baseball why didn't he go to college?
Don't blame going pro out of HS as the reason some one doesn't get a college education. If he went to school for 4 yrs and then played 3 yrs pro ball it would have taken him 7 yrs to start his new career. Same as it would it he went pro first then to college.

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Originally posted by younggun:
this is an interesting delima. i am a professional with a doctorate so obviously education is important to me. i have always stressed to each of my kids how important school was. you can control how far you go in your education, much of baseball is out of your control (ie no matter how hard you work, talent and physical attributes are God given and can only be made up for to a small degree) but, if my son if fortunate enough to be offered money to play baseball either out of hs or college, then i would certainly encourage him to go play ball. now there certainly is a difference in being drafted out of hs than college. out of hs, it would take 1M signing bonus for me to suggest to my son to skip college. but if he had finished 3 years of college, i would encourage him to go if drafted. i know the chances are slim, but lets face it, how many degrees are worth the league minimum? you can always return to finish the degree if baseball doesn't work out. if it does and you play several years, what does the degree ultimately mean? do you think A-Rod, Jeter, Mauer, etc will ever need their degree? even the mlb player that has played for 5-7 years at league minimum is WAY ahead of the rest of us. how many people by the age of 30 have earned 2-3 million dollars. they just need to be surrounded by people that look after their future and teach them to be smart with investments. just my .02

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
Not only is the player not going to get the value of the tuition, etc. to Stanford, he also is unlikely to be admitted to Stanford after a minor league career. There are a few exceptions, but most Stanford baseball players need baseball to get admission.

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Originally posted by infielddad:
RJM,
I could be incorrect but I think you are somewhat missing the point njbb is making.(BTW, Milb isn't much but it has been more than $800 for about 5-6 years now and is higher at each level.)
njbb's son was drafted and signed out of HS and is probably making pretty decent $$$$(just guessing njbb ) now that he is able to play as a free agent in Milb. I also think she has posted he is using his MLB scholarship plan for college.
What njbb is saying is the player you are referencing should have had the MLB scholarship plan available to him.
If he was an NLI or admitted to Stanford, that should be the tuition base for the value of his MLB scholarship when and if he returned to college within 2 years of his professional career ending. That tuition money can be used other than at Stanford. If the player had the MLB scholarship plan, he had, in a sense, double protection.
As the article that began this thread shows, so few actually use it after baseball ends!
But unless there are somethings being left out, the player you are referencing should have had the MLB plan for use as part of his first contract after the draft and had 2 years after the release to use it, and not at Stanford, but based on Stanford tuition at the time of the draft.
Sounds like he chose not to use it, but that just could be argued to be another poor choice, if signing out of HS truly was.

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Originally posted by infielddad:
RJM,
I could be incorrect but I think you are somewhat missing the point njbb is making.(BTW, Milb isn't much but it has been more than $800 for about 5-6 years now and is higher at each level.)
njbb's son was drafted and signed out of HS and is probably making pretty decent $$$$(just guessing njbb ) now that he is able to play as a free agent in Milb. I also think she has posted he is using his MLB scholarship plan for college.
What njbb is saying is the player you are referencing should have had the MLB scholarship plan available to him.
If he was an NLI or admitted to Stanford, that should be the tuition base for the value of his MLB scholarship when and if he returned to college within 2 years of his professional career ending. That tuition money can be used other than at Stanford. If the player had the MLB scholarship plan, he had, in a sense, double protection.
As the article that began this thread shows, so few actually use it after baseball ends!
But unless there are somethings being left out, the player you are referencing should have had the MLB plan for use as part of his first contract after the draft and had 2 years after the release to use it, and not at Stanford, but based on Stanford tuition at the time of the draft.
Sounds like he chose not to use it, but that just could be argued to be another poor choice, if signing out of HS truly was.

I've moved. I don't know what the kid is doing now. Last year he played Indy ball. But regardless of MLB scholarships, the primary point I was making is it was a bad choice to sign out of high school being physically, emotionally and age wise a boy among men.

I know higher levels of MiLB make more. But it all starts in A ball. The poster I was responding to gave the impression the players come out of school to a big paycheck. The paychecks in Milb are small relative to normal jobs. A handful get big bonuses.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
RJM,
While the statistics on making the major leagues are sobering, the actual number of minor league players making at least an appearance in a MLB game is considerably higher than 2%. In recent times, 1500 players are drafted, and for any given draft year, the number of players who end up getting at least a game in the majors varies from about 110 to 150, with 125-130 being typical. To compute a percentage, one has to take into account that some players are drafted twice, and conversely some players sign without being drafted (e.g. international players). I guess the number of minor league players who get a day or more in the majors is around 10%.

I think the main point you are making is that a low fraction of minor league players ever make noticeable money playing baseball. Undoubtedly true.

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Originally posted by infielddad:

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Originally posted by infielddad:
RJM,
I could be incorrect but I think you are somewhat missing the point njbb is making.(BTW, Milb isn't much but it has been more than $800 for about 5-6 years now and is higher at each level.)
njbb's son was drafted and signed out of HS and is probably making pretty decent $$$$(just guessing njbb ) now that he is able to play as a free agent in Milb. I also think she has posted he is using his MLB scholarship plan for college.
What njbb is saying is the player you are referencing should have had the MLB scholarship plan available to him.
If he was an NLI or admitted to Stanford, that should be the tuition base for the value of his MLB scholarship when and if he returned to college within 2 years of his professional career ending. That tuition money can be used other than at Stanford. If the player had the MLB scholarship plan, he had, in a sense, double protection.
As the article that began this thread shows, so few actually use it after baseball ends!
But unless there are somethings being left out, the player you are referencing should have had the MLB plan for use as part of his first contract after the draft and had 2 years after the release to use it, and not at Stanford, but based on Stanford tuition at the time of the draft.
Sounds like he chose not to use it, but that just could be argued to be another poor choice, if signing out of HS truly was.

I've moved. I don't know what the kid is doing now. Last year he played Indy ball. But regardless of MLB scholarships, the primary point I was making is it was a bad choice to sign out of high school being physically, emotionally and age wise a boy among men.

I know higher levels of MiLB make more. But it all starts in A ball. The poster I was responding to gave the impression the players come out of school to a big paycheck. The paychecks in Milb are small relative to normal jobs. A handful get big bonuses.

RJM,
Since you responded to more than one poster expressing opinions on what others should do and expect coming out of HS, I thought you might want to know that at least one of the posters you responded to, njbb, knows a thing or two about this.
Her son was a middle infielder.
Right now on Milb he is listed as 5'9" and 170 lbs on the AA roster.
To my recall, he was a 6th/7th rounder.
He signed out of HS.
Sound familiar?
njbb has posted more than a few times how tough some of the transition was in Milb, for her son.
Milb is tough coming out of HS.
In can be darn tough coming out of college.
One of our son's Milb teammates was a 3rd rounder who signed after his junior year for well over $250,000.
When he quit in his 2nd or early into his 3rd Milb year because of the rigors of Milb, MLB tried to change the rules so it would be able to get parts of the bonus money back.
Personally, I think all information on the topic is useful, whether it is the information on the player/outcome you referenced, njbb's son, or the 3rd rounder I mentioned.
Whichever is being referenced, any player choosing to fore go college and sign from HS or to sign after his junior year in college would be very wise to focus on njbb's comments on what can be negotiated and the wisdom of having the very best advice and guidance.
The MLB/Milb contract is about as difficult to read, understand and apply as most. Nothing beats good advice and the complete realization not all advice or advisers is necessarily good.

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Originally posted by infielddad:

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Originally posted by infielddad:
RJM,
I could be incorrect but I think you are somewhat missing the point njbb is making.(BTW, Milb isn't much but it has been more than $800 for about 5-6 years now and is higher at each level.)
njbb's son was drafted and signed out of HS and is probably making pretty decent $$$$(just guessing njbb ) now that he is able to play as a free agent in Milb. I also think she has posted he is using his MLB scholarship plan for college.
What njbb is saying is the player you are referencing should have had the MLB scholarship plan available to him.
If he was an NLI or admitted to Stanford, that should be the tuition base for the value of his MLB scholarship when and if he returned to college within 2 years of his professional career ending. That tuition money can be used other than at Stanford. If the player had the MLB scholarship plan, he had, in a sense, double protection.
As the article that began this thread shows, so few actually use it after baseball ends!
But unless there are somethings being left out, the player you are referencing should have had the MLB plan for use as part of his first contract after the draft and had 2 years after the release to use it, and not at Stanford, but based on Stanford tuition at the time of the draft.
Sounds like he chose not to use it, but that just could be argued to be another poor choice, if signing out of HS truly was.

I've moved. I don't know what the kid is doing now. Last year he played Indy ball. But regardless of MLB scholarships, the primary point I was making is it was a bad choice to sign out of high school being physically, emotionally and age wise a boy among men.

I know higher levels of MiLB make more. But it all starts in A ball. The poster I was responding to gave the impression the players come out of school to a big paycheck. The paychecks in Milb are small relative to normal jobs. A handful get big bonuses.

RJM,
Since you responded to more than one poster expressing opinions on what others should do and expect coming out of HS, I thought you might want to know that at least one of the posters you responded to, njbb, knows a thing or two about this.
Her son was a middle infielder.
Right now on Milb he is listed as 5'9" and 170 lbs on the AA roster.
To my recall, he was a 6th/7th rounder.
He signed out of HS.
Sound familiar?
njbb has posted more than a few times how tough some of the transition was in Milb, for her son.
Milb is tough coming out of HS.
In can be darn tough coming out of college.
One of our son's Milb teammates was a 3rd rounder who signed after his junior year for well over $250,000.
When he quit in his 2nd or early into his 3rd Milb year because of the rigors of Milb, MLB tried to change the rules so it would be able to get parts of the bonus money back.
Personally, I think all information on the topic is useful, whether it is the information on the player/outcome you referenced, njbb's son, or the 3rd rounder I mentioned.
Whichever is being referenced, any player choosing to fore go college and sign from HS or to sign after his junior year in college would be very wise to focus on njbb's comments on what can be negotiated and the wisdom of having the very best advice and guidance.
The MLB/Milb contract is about as difficult to read, understand and apply as most. Nothing beats good advice and the complete realization not all advice or advisers is necessarily good.

Imagine what 6'1", 165 looks like. While a scout may project the physical upside of this kid, a 5'9", 170 kid may be more physically ready in the moment. But either way it's difficult for most high school players since they come out of high school competing with 21 year old men who have been maturing in the college baseball experience, had the benefit of a collegiate physical training program for three years and being away from home for three years.

But we're staying away from the post I was responding. The poster seemed to have the impression when players turn pro they make big bucks.