It's a tough choice - following a dream.
"how many degrees are worth the league minimum?"
This is the statement that caught my eye. My response was a drafted player is in most cases a long way from making MLB minimum of it ever happens at all. Case closed. Court adjourned.
This is the statement that caught my eye. My response was a drafted player is in most cases a long way from making MLB minimum of it ever happens at all. Case closed. Court adjourned.
There was a kid from our high school about five years ahead of my son drafted in the 7th round. He was offered 150K and signed. He passed on a full ride to Stanford. He had been raised by his grandmother. He felt he owed her something and signed.[/QUOTE]quote:Originally posted by RJM:
Lets see turned down a 250k scholarship for a 150k shot in the milb. Didn't follow up with school(MLB funded)after he was released and opted to work at a basebabll facility? If this is an example of critical thinking on his part,he probably made the right choice in signing because he would have never graduated.
quote:Originally posted by dswann:There was a kid from our high school about five years ahead of my son drafted in the 7th round. He was offered 150K and signed. He passed on a full ride to Stanford. He had been raised by his grandmother. He felt he owed her something and signed.quote:Originally posted by RJM:
Lets see turned down a 250k scholarship for a 150k shot in the milb. Didn't follow up with school(MLB funded)after he was released and opted to work at a basebabll facility? If this is an example of critical thinking on his part,he probably made the right choice in signing because he would have never graduated.[/QUOTE]While I believe the kid made a bad decision and so does he in retrospect, you ignored the reason why he made the decision to sign while passing judgement on him. He spent the last three years trying to catch on through Indy ball.
quote:Originally posted by younggun:
this is an interesting delima. i am a professional with a doctorate so obviously education is important to me. i have always stressed to each of my kids how important school was. you can control how far you go in your education, much of baseball is out of your control (ie no matter how hard you work, talent and physical attributes are God given and can only be made up for to a small degree) but, if my son if fortunate enough to be offered money to play baseball either out of hs or college, then i would certainly encourage him to go play ball. now there certainly is a difference in being drafted out of hs than college. out of hs, it would take 1M signing bonus for me to suggest to my son to skip college. but if he had finished 3 years of college, i would encourage him to go if drafted. i know the chances are slim, but lets face it, how many degrees are worth the league minimum? you can always return to finish the degree if baseball doesn't work out. if it does and you play several years, what does the degree ultimately mean? do you think A-Rod, Jeter, Mauer, etc will ever need their degree? even the mlb player that has played for 5-7 years at league minimum is WAY ahead of the rest of us. how many people by the age of 30 have earned 2-3 million dollars. they just need to be surrounded by people that look after their future and teach them to be smart with investments. just my .02
I believe degrees are way over rated. Having a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering my education started after I got out of college.
I believe most degrees dumb down students and kill their drive to take calculated risks.
I have an older son who earned a full academic ride at a D1 university so trust me my next son will be expected to do the same.
quote:Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
I believe degrees are way over rated. Having a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering my education started after I got out of college.
I believe most degrees dumb down students and kill their drive to take calculated risks.
Really? Having the fortitude and determination to see something through for four years is a pretty big deal to a lot of people. There's a reason only about a quarter of adults have a baccalaureate degree.
I ask you, would you have had the same opportunities to expand your knowledge base if you had never gone to college?
quote:Originally posted by younggun:
this is an interesting delima. i am a professional with a doctorate so obviously education is important to me.
quote:Originally posted by 55mom:
It's a tough choice - following a dream.
55mom,
Very insightful and in very few words.
Hopefully the discussion, or most of it, can show the path and tenacity of njbb's son and how that was successful, the 3rd rounder out of college who took the $$$ and ran because he could not cut it, and realize there are options in between.
Most all of the options involve choices.
When pursuing Milb vs College, good choices involve good information, little ego, coupled with input, information, and advice from people who know what they are doing and what is the reality, and how to attempt to maximize all of that for a single player and family faced with the choices.
Accurate and current information is so important for anyone who has these choices to make coming out of HS or after JC or after their Jr. year of college.
One aspect I have always admired about njbb on this site: she is always respectful and tells a wonderful journey of her son is such a quiet and nice way, and he is proof positive that a player can make the best of both options.
quote:Originally posted by Matt13:quote:Originally posted by younggun:
this is a entrestin delima. i am a profeshunal with a dokturute so obvuwusly edukashun is impour tant to me.
I've korected the the post for more humor.
quote:Originally posted by Matt13:quote:Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
I believe degrees are way over rated. Having a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering my education started after I got out of college.
I believe most degrees dumb down students and kill their drive to take calculated risks.
Really? Having the fortitude and determination to see something through for four years is a pretty big deal to a lot of people. There's a reason only about a quarter of adults have a baccalaureate degree.
I ask you, would you have had the same opportunities to expand your knowledge base if you had never gone to college?
No doubt the piece of paper opened doors but my performance on the job is what keeps me employed.
Unfortunately many students getting non-technical degrees are racking up large amounts of debt that will take many years to payoff to chase small salaries.
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quote:"how many degrees are worth the league minimum?"
This is the statement that caught my eye. My response was a drafted player is in most cases a long way from making MLB minimum of it ever happens at all. Case closed. Court adjourned.
rjm, this was exactly my point. while i understand that making to the bigs is very remote, the dream does happen ever year for a certain number of players. this is why i stated i would need 1M signing bonus out of hs to skip college. i wonder how many on this board would turn down the chance to be 19 with a million dollars in hand and the "opportunity" to play baseball for a living? my point is i think i would advise my son to go for it if in this position. i understand that i dont know all the ins and outs, which is why i read this board daily. there is so much that can be gleaned from people who have been there and done that.
I don’t think the numbers are surprising at all. 30% of the MLB players are not American born. A very large number are veterans who signed out of high school and have been playing ever since. The rest are college players and most of them signed contracts before getting their degree. A few (the small % left) have a college degree.
A truer number would be of those who played in the Big Leagues ten years ago, how many of those now have a degree. That number would be higher. It’s hard to get a degree when you are playing professional baseball. If you don't have one when you start, your not likely to get one until you are done playing. Those counted in this research are still playing. Baseball is a career during that period of time. Some have gone to school during the off season, working towards a degree, but it’s difficult.
A truer number would be of those who played in the Big Leagues ten years ago, how many of those now have a degree. That number would be higher. It’s hard to get a degree when you are playing professional baseball. If you don't have one when you start, your not likely to get one until you are done playing. Those counted in this research are still playing. Baseball is a career during that period of time. Some have gone to school during the off season, working towards a degree, but it’s difficult.
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Difficult indeed PG. Here's one slugger who is trying...
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- "Some have gone to school during the off season, working towards a degree, but it’s difficult."
Difficult indeed PG. Here's one slugger who is trying...
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Is that Sheldon Cooper figuring out the formula for a rubber left arm? He's gonna be RICH!
I would like to know how many HC and bench coaches, scouts and front office people have degrees. I would bet the number is pretty low. Honorary degrees do not count. 
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
I don’t think the numbers are surprising at all. 30% of the MLB players are not American born. A very large number are veterans who signed out of high school and have been playing ever since. The rest are college players and most of them signed contracts before getting their degree. A few (the small % left) have a college degree.
A truer number would be of those who played in the Big Leagues ten years ago, how many of those now have a degree. That number would be higher. It’s hard to get a degree when you are playing professional baseball. If you don't have one when you start, your not likely to get one until you are done playing. Those counted in this research are still playing. Baseball is a career during that period of time. Some have gone to school during the off season, working towards a degree, but it’s difficult.
Well said PG!
I would say most front office people and scouts went to college... and played baseball
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
FWIW, my sons friend and former teammate will be making his ML debut today or tomorrow. He was drafted in 2009, 23rd round pick out of Slippery Rock University, PA.
Where he was drafted (round) indicates that most teams didn't see him as having the talent to eventually become a MLB player.
Matt Adams Cardinals just went 1 for 1 first MLB rbi
just not many slippery rocks...
quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:
I would like to know how many HC and bench coaches, scouts and front office people have degrees. I would bet the number is pretty low. Honorary degrees do not count.
Theo Epstein and his crew are notoriously well educated. Most of the front office folks I can think of are also.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
I don’t think the numbers are surprising at all. 30% of the MLB players are not American born. A very large number are veterans who signed out of high school and have been playing ever since. The rest are college players and most of them signed contracts before getting their degree. A few (the small % left) have a college degree.
A truer number would be of those who played in the Big Leagues ten years ago, how many of those now have a degree. That number would be higher. It’s hard to get a degree when you are playing professional baseball. If you don't have one when you start, your not likely to get one until you are done playing. Those counted in this research are still playing. Baseball is a career during that period of time. Some have gone to school during the off season, working towards a degree, but it’s difficult.
I don't see the advantage of a retired MLB getting a degree unless it's in something useful like engineering, math, or some science (and that probably won't happen)
If I was a retired MLB I would open up a car lot, restaurant or some other business and live off of my name.
quote:Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
I don’t think the numbers are surprising at all. 30% of the MLB players are not American born. A very large number are veterans who signed out of high school and have been playing ever since. The rest are college players and most of them signed contracts before getting their degree. A few (the small % left) have a college degree.
A truer number would be of those who played in the Big Leagues ten years ago, how many of those now have a degree. That number would be higher. It’s hard to get a degree when you are playing professional baseball. If you don't have one when you start, your not likely to get one until you are done playing. Those counted in this research are still playing. Baseball is a career during that period of time. Some have gone to school during the off season, working towards a degree, but it’s difficult.
I don't see the advantage of a retired MLB getting a degree unless it's in something useful like engineering, math, or some science (and that probably won't happen)
If I was a retired MLB I would open up a car lot, restaurant or some other business and live off of my name.
Some guys don't wait till they retire.
Believe it or not he attended college too!
The AVERAGE time a player stays in MLB is 4 years. I am not talking about the guys who become rich superstars, that doesn't happen everyday.
Most of the average time guys in MLB have not made a big enough name for themselves that would be profitable for business opportunities other than something baseball related.
The AVERAGE time a player stays in MLB is 4 years. I am not talking about the guys who become rich superstars, that doesn't happen everyday.
Most of the average time guys in MLB have not made a big enough name for themselves that would be profitable for business opportunities other than something baseball related.
Tino found the time to go back to school. Son said Tino was in some of his senior teammates classes last year. Good example for players, even though he doesn't need it to get by, his mother is happy!
Constantino Martinez - College Grad
Constantino Martinez - College Grad