If Hamels does not admit that he was throwing at him does he still get suspended?
What about the Nats pitcher that lster drilled Hamels?
He was not suspended because he was smart enough not to say anything?
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I think it is accepted to a certain point that you can retaliate when someone does something gutless or bush league so that's why Hamels was suspended and the other guy wasn't. Ans since I'm sure someone will come on about how Hamels was honest about it, I personally just think that compounds the stupidity of Hamels act.
Loose Lips Sinks Pitchers.....
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"The rosin made me do it!"
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"The rosin made me do it!"
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This happens every day.
ESPN is making this out like it's a mass murder.
They try to one-up each other as to who has the most fake outrage.
ESPN is making this out like it's a mass murder.
They try to one-up each other as to who has the most fake outrage.
quote:I think it is accepted to a certain point that you can retaliate when someone does something gutless or bush league so that's why Hamels was suspended
Gutless? Really? He came up to bat the next inning and got hit. At least one league can say that.. the other not so much..
I'm not a fan of throwing at people just because, but in the big picture I think this whole thing was handled well. He hit Harper in the lower back and Harper went down to first base without a word. Then in the next half inning, Hamels was hit in the lower leg and just went to first base without a word.
No fuss.
We all know this happens in MLB...but you just cannot talk about it. Period.
I have 2 sons who have both faced Harper. One is older, the other is the same age (roughly) as Harper. Older one played with him last year in double-A. Neither has a bad word to say about him.
I will try to lay this out (carefully?). Harper is 19 and plays the game aggressively and more like a confident 30-year old veteran. This will get under the skin of veterans...who aren't sure he is showing due respect. Or just don't want to get beat (or 'shown up'(?)) by a 19-year old.
My older son gave up Harper's first pro home run in the AZFL a year and a half ago. He had an otherwise pretty good outing. The ball was auctioned on MLB...a fair number of my older son's friends made sure to send him the link. While all in fun, this stings anyone with some pride. I texted my older son, 'Pretty good job today.' He responded, 'Yeah, but I gave up a home run to an 18-year old.'
I am not criticizing Hamels one single bit other than he shouldn't have talked about it. I am just trying to describe the feelings that I believe are out there.
I have 2 sons who have both faced Harper. One is older, the other is the same age (roughly) as Harper. Older one played with him last year in double-A. Neither has a bad word to say about him.
I will try to lay this out (carefully?). Harper is 19 and plays the game aggressively and more like a confident 30-year old veteran. This will get under the skin of veterans...who aren't sure he is showing due respect. Or just don't want to get beat (or 'shown up'(?)) by a 19-year old.
My older son gave up Harper's first pro home run in the AZFL a year and a half ago. He had an otherwise pretty good outing. The ball was auctioned on MLB...a fair number of my older son's friends made sure to send him the link. While all in fun, this stings anyone with some pride. I texted my older son, 'Pretty good job today.' He responded, 'Yeah, but I gave up a home run to an 18-year old.'
I am not criticizing Hamels one single bit other than he shouldn't have talked about it. I am just trying to describe the feelings that I believe are out there.
Did Hammels say why he throw at him??? I don't get what Harper did wrong???
Hamels should have said he slipped on a bar of soap.
quote:Originally posted by njbb:
Did Hammels say why he throw at him??? I don't get what Harper did wrong???
This is what I'm wondering. I was sorta watching the game while on the phone. So I guess I missed what went on to start all of this.
Hamels said nothing started this thing, this was just a welcome to the big leagues on ESPN sunday night game. No real reason.
quote:I was sorta watching the game while on the phone. So I guess I missed what went on to start all of this.
There was a comment made about Harper questioning the strikezone in an earlier game and that some players took exception to the kid thinking he could do that. Hamels either flunked an IQ test or was looking for some time off.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:quote:I was sorta watching the game while on the phone. So I guess I missed what went on to start all of this.
There was a comment made about Harper questioning the strikezone in an earlier game and that some players took exception to the kid thinking he could do that. Hamels either flunked an IQ test or was looking for some time off.
...................well Hamels is a moron if he owned up to it.
This is what Hamels said yesterday:
link to article
"I was trying to hit him," Hamels said. "I mean, I'm not going to deny it. It's something that I grew up watching. I'm just trying to continue old baseball, because I think some people get away from it. I remember when I was a rookie, the strike zone was really, really small and you didn't say anything, because that's the way baseball is. But I think unfortunately sometimes the league is protecting certain players and making it not as that kind of old school, prestigious way of baseball."
Hamels went on to say Harper got even by stealing home.
There was a lot of hype for this series. The Nationals had become rather frustrated by legions of Phillies fans invading their stadium. It was time to fight back- Nationalize! I think they did pretty well. It's good for baseball. Sorry to see Jayson Werth get injured like that.
link to article
"I was trying to hit him," Hamels said. "I mean, I'm not going to deny it. It's something that I grew up watching. I'm just trying to continue old baseball, because I think some people get away from it. I remember when I was a rookie, the strike zone was really, really small and you didn't say anything, because that's the way baseball is. But I think unfortunately sometimes the league is protecting certain players and making it not as that kind of old school, prestigious way of baseball."
Hamels went on to say Harper got even by stealing home.
There was a lot of hype for this series. The Nationals had become rather frustrated by legions of Phillies fans invading their stadium. It was time to fight back- Nationalize! I think they did pretty well. It's good for baseball. Sorry to see Jayson Werth get injured like that.
No doubt Hamels was suspended for publicly bragging about hitting Harper.
I think that MLB also wants to prevent fights. A little thing like this could build in next series with a rash of HBP. MLB wants to avoid the "brawler image."
justbaseball - Thanks for the story.
I think that MLB also wants to prevent fights. A little thing like this could build in next series with a rash of HBP. MLB wants to avoid the "brawler image."
justbaseball - Thanks for the story.
quote:Originally posted by Bulldog 19:quote:I think it is accepted to a certain point that you can retaliate when someone does something gutless or bush league so that's why Hamels was suspended
Gutless? Really? He came up to bat the next inning and got hit. At least one league can say that.. the other not so much..
I'm not a fan of throwing at people just because, but in the big picture I think this whole thing was handled well. He hit Harper in the lower back and Harper went down to first base without a word. Then in the next half inning, Hamels was hit in the lower leg and just went to first base without a word.
No fuss.
+1 Bulldog. Very well said
Given all the scrutiny and criticism Harper has faced since finding himself on the SI cover a few years back, I find it rather ironic that he handled this like a seasoned professional and let his response come through his play on the field by stealing home. Did he then jump up, gloat, point at Hamels, etc….nope, just headed to the dugout. The kid is going to be really good. 
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Good observations Tx!
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Good observations Tx!
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TX HUSKER- Even better said than Bulldog. Harper took his medicine and went about his business like a seasoned veteran.
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
Harper is 19 and plays the game aggressively and more like a confident 30-year old veteran.
...just sayin' (or said).
And the veteran planning on giving the lesson got one on keeping his mouth shut!
I like Harper, he's going to be fun to watch and good for baseball. I loved him stealing home, great job by the kid.
I like Harper, he's going to be fun to watch and good for baseball. I loved him stealing home, great job by the kid.
Hamels strikes me as a pretty smart guy...I'm wondering if this wasn't a calculated decision on his part.
This season leads up to his free agency year, is he trying to send a message that he is a tough minded "old school" pitcher that isn't afraid to take charge. Hamels would probably be the ace on 90% of the MLB teams but with Holiday and Lee in the rotation he is considered the Phillies #3. While most of us think its pretty stupid for him to admit that he did it intentionally, I'm wondering if many of the players and organizations out there like what he did?
This season leads up to his free agency year, is he trying to send a message that he is a tough minded "old school" pitcher that isn't afraid to take charge. Hamels would probably be the ace on 90% of the MLB teams but with Holiday and Lee in the rotation he is considered the Phillies #3. While most of us think its pretty stupid for him to admit that he did it intentionally, I'm wondering if many of the players and organizations out there like what he did?
I'm giving Harper credit for how he handled it. Looks to me like Harper and Zimmerman played by the code.
Call me old school but I understand why Hamels did what he did and why (Harper complaining about the pitcher's strike zone in an earlier game). Players just don't do that, especially rookies. Obvioulsy he was sending a message and I am sure that Hamels became the designated "hitter" so to speak. What really messed the whole thing up was the pitcher hitting Hamels. It had already been settled by Harper stealing home.
I agree much of this is old school vs. new school.
Harper took his base and Hamels owned up to why he did what he did. He's suspended 5 games, he won't miss his start, maybe less money in the bank but sometimes you just got to do what you got to do. This is not unusual.
I have no issue with Harper, he plays with a chip on his shoulder but he's 19, he will mature and learn what they refer to as "the code".
I agree much of this is old school vs. new school.
Harper took his base and Hamels owned up to why he did what he did. He's suspended 5 games, he won't miss his start, maybe less money in the bank but sometimes you just got to do what you got to do. This is not unusual.
I have no issue with Harper, he plays with a chip on his shoulder but he's 19, he will mature and learn what they refer to as "the code".
I'll bet Hammels did it so he could go down in history as the first MLB pitcher to bean Harper.
Hamels' intensity has been questioned in the past. He's a free agent. He probably increased the value of his next contract playing old school.
If you are TRULY old school, you don't have to say it or say anything. People know it.
Respect is earned. Hamels is trying way too hard. The rookie schooled him on being old school by his attitude, reaction and play on the field....it didn't hurt that he stole home.
I'm really looking forward to the next Nats/Phillies game because I don't think this is over by any means. Somebody is going to get hit, and hit hard. If I was Hunter Pence, I wouldn't be digging in.
Respect is earned. Hamels is trying way too hard. The rookie schooled him on being old school by his attitude, reaction and play on the field....it didn't hurt that he stole home.
I'm really looking forward to the next Nats/Phillies game because I don't think this is over by any means. Somebody is going to get hit, and hit hard. If I was Hunter Pence, I wouldn't be digging in.
Fenway, I think he said what he did to let the other pitcher off the hook.
He didn't have to say anything, not necessarily agreeing, just sayin"......
He didn't have to say anything, not necessarily agreeing, just sayin"......
Old school or not it made Hamel look like an idiot and Harper like a veteran......
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
Good thing Bob Gibson didn't pitch in today's MLB. He'd probably been sued and / or arrested by now.
quote:What really messed the whole thing up was the pitcher hitting Hamels. It had already been settled by Harper stealing home.
I disagree, That was old school!! Hamels got what he deserved. If I was facing Hamels next time I'd throw at him again!!
Official Dirt Eating Dayquote:Originally posted by ctandc:
Good thing Bob Gibson didn't pitch in today's MLB. He'd probably been sued and / or arrested by now.
Starting Pitchers: Gibson versus Drysdale