Hanley Ramirez

I'm with you on that TR.
Hanley has 5 tools and he is a tool.

He's a heck of a ballplayer.

Is this a one-time occurrence.....or were the Red Sox on to something when they dealt him to Florida a few years ago?

Hanley is a stud, but the coach did the right thing. Sends a message to the rest of the team as well as Hanley himself.

I remember years ago, Bobby Cox benched Andruw Jones for the same type of thing. Never saw Jones exhibit lack of hustle again.

Go Freddie!!

He had similar problems when he was in the Red Sox minor league chain--they do not trade talent like this without a reason

If I recall, Hanley was part of the Josh Beckett trade. You don't get Beckett for nothing. That said, I do believe the Red Sox are one of the best at talent evaluation and finding winning ballplayers. They very well indeed may have known something however.

Hanley's comments about his manager were regrettable imho.

I just saw the replay on MLBTV, is there any link to an article?

Hanley Ramirez is an amazing talent, but he obviously has a lot of growing up to do. I really like how Freddie handled the situation, and I hope that the Marlins organization and players supports his handling of the situation.

He is a kid in a man's body. He has a lot of growing up to do, and the Coach handled it perfectly in my opinion. He is a talented player but his mental attitude has some catching up to do with his physical play.

I remember when he was in the Red Sox organization. Many of the articles I read about him were not as complimentary as they were about other Red Sox farm hands that are still with the organization.

He's really not much of a "kid" since he'll be 27 this December.

Now it looks like he's done an about face and is contrite and ready to apologize to his teammates. Usually other ballplayers don't criticize teammates even when they do something stupid but in this case, his teammates backing the manager may have helped him see the light.

Personally, I think the veterans on the team should have handled this in the dugout but I like the way Gonzalez did it.

Let's say this situation turns into a long term standoff. Let's say the team isn't winning and the situation is a distraction. Who wins? Who loses? Chances are the high paid superstar stays and the manager goes. It's what is wrong with pro sports.

He's back in the lineup tonight with three for five so far. We'll have to see if he's learned anything for the long term. By the way Milton Bradley is back too. Lots of eyes on him also.

From the Philadelphia Inquirer (paraphrasing)

Andre Dawson, a Marlins employee met with Ramirez behind closed doors Tuesday. Dawson: You are not bigger than the game. You don't show up the manager. You're being immature and it could come back to bite you.

Dawson said Ramirez was uncomfortable with the lecture, but he didn't care.

Tony Perez was part of that meeting as well. Heard Dawson also started off the meeting with something along the lines of - I'm not going to say much because if I do, you might say something stupid and I would knock you on your butt. Sounds like it was a pretty good heart to heart. Good to see baseball sticking up for itself.

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Originally posted by bballman:
Tony Perez was part of that meeting as well. Heard Dawson also started off the meeting with something along the lines of - I'm not going to say much because if I do, you might say something stupid and I would knock you on your butt. Sounds like it was a pretty good heart to heart. Good to see baseball sticking up for itself.

I was actually amazed that the pitcher [or one of the other players] didn't gte in his face on the field. One reporter suggested Fredi shoudl have yanked him , told the media he was hurt, but reamed him in private. Sure - make more excuses for him!! Biggest problem today - lack of accountability. Look at the video- he was going after the ball pretty fast - until he booted it , then he shifted into first gear. He was not, as some suggest, runnign slow b/c he was hurt

Good to be back on line after a couple yrs away

You know windmill, it seems whenever the one of the players does something stupid or even criminal, the higher his ability on the field, the less criticism there is by other players especially by someone lower on the totem pole. The player pecking order seems to really exist in the Majors--that's the reason Manny Ramirez was able to dog it for so many years with virtually no players openly criticizing him until it got to ridiculous proportions.

reminded me of Garry Templeton...

Nothing like Andre Dawson and Tony Perez to give you a little "perspective". I applaud the Marlins organization for making the effort to keep him in line, and show him "he is not bigger than the game". I don't know if many organizations would have done this with a young superstar. It tells me they really care, and value his skills.

Maybe it's a "Ramirez Thing" - Manny being Manny - Hanley being Hanley..

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Originally posted by windmill:
Maybe it's a "Ramirez Thing" - Manny being Manny - Hanley being Hanley..

Hanley came through the Sox organization. Maybe it's Hanley being Manny.

From Boston Sunday Globe:

Hanley Ramirez, SS, Marlins — His benching for loafing came as no surprise to one person in the Red Sox organization. “We had to get on him all the time about that,’’ he said. “Unfortunately, what happened here in Boston is that Manny Ramirez took the kid under his wing, and while Manny helped him as a hitter, he also took up some of Manny’s more unflattering aspects, like not hustling at times. Hanley is a terrific player who will have a long career and be very successful. We always felt immaturity was an issue that he would eventually grow out of. But maybe it hasn’t quite taken hold yet.’’

I too agree that Hanley is a great player but did learn a good lesson. Play hard no matter what! Work ethic is learned at a very young age with great coaching. granted he is in the majors so he had to have great coaches that knew what they were doing and helped him on his way. But..... that was just surprising to see from a "professional".

The problem with baseball is, unlike basketball, it is not very pretty at half speed. The common complaint about the game by many is that it is boring. At half speed it is pointless and unwatchable by anyone.

Similar story about Enos Slaughter taking his time getting to/or from the outfield early in his career. The manager sat him down and explained how things worked. Enos got the message.

We all make mistakes. The trick is to learn from them.

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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
Hanley has 5 tools and he is a tool.

LOL