Harvard

Please cite to your source for the claim that harvard's grant in aid is to be paid back after graduation.

Are you implying or expressing that this is a loan?

I'm pretty sure the only aid Harvard gives is financial aid, which they don't expect to be paid back. This is standard at all Ivy League schools; not sure where the loan part of it comes from. Even in the recession Harvard's endowment is so huge that they can afford this kind of thing.

So, you comment about paying the financial aid back is not a Harvard "you are bad compared to others"; it was a generality applied to all Ivies.

I want to point out that my alma matter, a large state university, is always asking me for the same thing. That type of request is typical and is how universities raise funds for the classes which follow.

Blue Cat

As one who is close to the Harvard coaches, in that I have known them for a number of years, I would like to know where you got your info---


May I also ask what a "scowling recruiting service" is?

Blue Cat


you are rambling !!!!!!

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This wont be a favorable post but Harvard has been 38 games under .500 the last 2 season.

Harvard started 0-20 in 2008 because they took on too ambitious of a pre-conference schedule. They played mostly top fifty programs in those twenty games. They were also missing three or four of their top pitchers. It wasn't because they weren't cared for properly. It was because stuff happens.

Harvard has a unique payment plan. The cost to attend is 10% of annual family income for incomes between 100-250K. If a family makes less chances are the student will attend free on financial aid.

My information comes straight from the mouths of the parents of Harvard players. For the five seasons previous to the last two they have been over .500 overall and very successful in Ivy League play.

And as the students chant at hockey games .... "You may be beating us now. But you'll be working for us later."

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Originally posted by blue cat:

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Harvard started 0-20 in 2008

Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The preceeding post is a perfect example of taking a few words from a paragraph and an entire post out of context. It's obvious this poster has issues with Harvard.

RJM


how in the world did you come to that conclusion???


Blue Cat

the name is TRhit and what are you warning me about?

Something does not jive---in Blue Cats last post he says it is 11 PM but the post time says 12:18 AM and his location says NJ--- try and figure that out

BTW, I got this letter too. I don't think offering more financial aid will suddenly turn Harvard into a premier D1 because as it stands the academic qualifications are still very high and it's not as if the financial aid wasn't already tremendous.

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And as the students chant at hockey games .... "You may be beating us now. But you'll be working for us later."

Sounds arrogant to me.

Since Ivy League schools agreed to not offer athletic money when incepted in 1954, is this language a change in their philosophy? Sure sounds like it.

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And as the students chant at hockey games .... "You may be beating us now. But you'll be working for us later."

Actually, in my day, the chant went "that's alright, that's okay, you'll be working for us one day."

Not arrogance. It's a good CLEAN cheer.

Thanks for the replies. The whole argument was kind of funny from the outside. I'm listening to the credible people with 1000+ posts. Blue Cat is just digging a deeper hole for himself.

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Originally posted by MarlinsMS_35:
Thanks for the replies. The whole argument was kind of funny from the outside. I'm listening to the credible people with 1000+ posts. Blue Cat is just digging a deeper hole for himself.

Marlins,
I'd advise keeping an open mind. Anyone can have 1000 plus posts. Nowhere in life does quantity = quality.

I found it more beneficial to hear dissenting opinions when searching colleges. No program is all good or all bad, but I can assume the good, please show me the potholes in the road so that I can assess their size and relativity for myself.

Bluecat could be 100% right...or 100% wrong, and most likely somewhere in between. But he has given you insight in to some things that deserve your attention if you were to seriously consider Harvard. That, is invaluable, in my eyes, and worthy of investigation.

Think, if you were to seriously consider Harvard, and just dismiss Bluecats opinion out of hand. Wouldn't you be negligent in your due diligence, considering that someone who seems to have at least a little knowledge of the program, had pointed directly to drawbacks?

Could it be sour grapes? Sure, it could have any number of negative motives. But it could also be true, and if nothing else, a person should do his best to find out, before they pull the trigger, or go too far down the recruiting road with any program.

JMHO

Best of luck.

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Fair warning Harvards a GREAT University and a GREAT education. There Coaching staff seems to deliver lots of promises and not alot of results.

The staff works hard and they care about the Kids, No finer man than Joe Walsh, They are not ASU but then again how many kids get chance to play in a top 10 , program not many , and then again how many kids get a chance to attend Harvard not many.

This wont be a favorable post but Harvard has been 38 games under .500 the last 2 season. Thats a fact. There top 3 pitcher missed the season for various arm injuries. Thats a fact.

Yes this is true, they were decimated with injuries in 08 and lost another kid in 09 three starters as well as position players , STUFF HAPPENS and they played the hardest non conference schedule in 08 for D1 that year. Yes that is a fact but guess what if you ask the staff about this ther would be no execuses.

Buyer beware if you accept one of those grant n aid packages, the expectation is that you pay it back into the endowment programs after graduation.
This is just not true people give back because they want to, have the money and love their time at the school no different from other schools.

Check out the qualifications of that assistant coaching staff as well. There has been some very questionable ethical practices in regards to their recruiting practice of players committed to other Universities.
Site a an issue not just and opinion

They are known to use the practice of scowling recruiting service to identifiy players who verbally commit to other high end academic universities and contact these players with grant n aid offers site unseen in some case.........

It's ashame such a respected University allows the program to operate like that........This is an accurate post I promise regaurdless of what post follow

Site a an issue not just and opinion

FYI I was at every game in 2008 one of those starters that went down was mine..

blue cat


what is your intent with this thread?

I didn't mean that I only go by post counts. It just seems like what you're saying is very exaggerated and a little biased. I do understand where you're coming from, and what you're trying to say.

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Originally posted by blue cat:
Marlin

Good luck to you bro...Great education 38 games under .500 you fill the gaps in between. just do your homework........

No biase there and certainly no exaggeration...I hope it works out for you..........

Happy Holidays

What you need to understand which is very important, it is not always a problem with the staff.
When it come to their record they would like to have had a better record, but their non-conference games are their spring season. They care about winning all games but more about the conference. which is similar to other schools. So if the goal in Non Conference is to get ready for conference they were not terrible.
Joe Walsh Ivy Record 181-99 - includes 08-09
5 IVY League titles in 14 years

The only other school that really competes is Princeton
6 IVY League titles in 14 years
from 1995-06 to 2005-06 the title was won by either Harvard or Princeton
Since 06 Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth maybe parity has come to the Ivies

So the team has struggled the last 2 years because of injuries, and that one other change that a lot of people tend to forget, Harvard does not accept early admits any longer, this might pose a problem with recruiting until it is figured out.. This is really not about coaching.. by the way over the last 2 years (08-09) they 23-58 35 games under .500 In Conf 18-22 4 games under.

Blue Cat- Thank you for asking about my son, God willing he will play again. When I ask if he would could go back, or go to another school his answer is always the same "Absolutely Not best experience of my life"

All information can be found at the IVY website, good read. After all, what is Harvard motto "VERITAS" Truth
IVY WEBSITE

Marlin do the research just maybe your son will be the kid that helps them win their next tile.

Happy Hoidays to all

Marlins, how are you doing?
I understand how you felt when you got that letter, it is very special getting recruiting letters from the IVY League schools.
I think that some of the discussion has been important, no matter WHAT program you are considering you must do your homework, what is a right fit for some, may not be a good fit for others. That is for any program.
However, if baseball is just as important to you as the education you will receive, pay attention to the number of games below 500 (for any program), someone stated winning isn't all that important, but I think for many it is.

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Originally posted by TPM:
Marlins, how are you doing?
I understand how you felt when you got that letter, it is very special getting recruiting letters from the IVY League schools.
I think that some of the discussion has been important, no matter WHAT program you are considering you must do your homework, what is a right fit for some, may not be a good fit for others. That is for any program.
However, if baseball is just as important to you as the education you will receive, pay attention to the number of games below 500 (for any program), someone stated winning isn't all that important, but I think for many it is.

Thanks, I'm doing well. Baseball is just as important to me as academics. I hate it when people don't take either seriously. I know that I won't be able to play for a powerhouse d1 that is always way over .500, so I will settle playing for a sub .500 team. There is a ton of parity, the direction of a team can change instantly.