If anyone saw it, what do you think? Balk or legal? The pitcher was on the mound without the ball and the runner was tagged out. Called an out and took wind out of US team.
Trying to find video replay of it.
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I'd like to see it.
Pitcher can be on the mound without the ball. He can't be on or astride the rubber.
Originally Posted by JCG:
I'd like to see it.
Pitcher can be on the mound without the ball. He can't be on or astride the rubber.
You sure about that? I thought he couldn't be within 10 - 15 feet of the pitching rubber without the ball which is staying off the dirt. I'm talking about NFHS rules though
This is what I have in my rule book:
ART. 5 . . . It is also a balk if a runner or runners are on base and the pitcher, while he is not touching the pitcher's plate, makes any movement naturally associated with his pitch, or he places his feet on or astride the pitcher's plate,
or positions himself within approximately five feet of the pitcher's plate without having the ball.
NFHS Rule Book
Originally Posted by coach2709:
Originally Posted by JCG:
I'd like to see it.
Pitcher can be on the mound without the ball. He can't be on or astride the rubber.
You sure about that? I thought he couldn't be within 10 - 15 feet of the pitching rubber without the ball which is staying off the dirt. I'm talking about NFHS rules though
True, but there's no way the Pan Am games were played under FED rules. I would assume OBR?
Originally Posted by roothog66:
Originally Posted by coach2709:
Originally Posted by JCG:
I'd like to see it.
Pitcher can be on the mound without the ball. He can't be on or astride the rubber.
You sure about that? I thought he couldn't be within 10 - 15 feet of the pitching rubber without the ball which is staying off the dirt. I'm talking about NFHS rules though
True, but there's no way the Pan Am games were played under FED rules. I would assume OBR?
Good point didn't think of that
They are saying in the umpire forum here that under OBR it's still a balk
Originally Posted by coach2709:
They are saying in the umpire forum here that under OBR it's still a balk
I'd have to see it. I saw it described elsewhere as standing across the rubber end-to-end, which I would still find as a violation of 8.01(a)(9).
Originally Posted by coach2709:
They are saying in the umpire forum here that under OBR it's still a balk
OBR: On or astride the rubber
FED: Within approximately 5' of the rubber
NCAA: On the dirt
Looks like a balk to me no matter what rules you're using. Thanks for link.
How can that not be a balk?
Not only is he in the vicinity of the rubber without the ball, he assumes a pitching stance.
That's a freaking balk. So my question is -- it's not a judgement call, right? So did Tracy lodge a protest against this misapplication of the rules, and who adjudicates the protest?
The umpires discussed it and the administration committee and they let it stand. It is a balk in any set of rules because he even faked a pickoff.
Originally Posted by PitchingFan:
The umpires discussed it and the administration committee and they let it stand. It is a balk in any set of rules because he even faked a pickoff.
I don't see him "fake a pickoff" (maybe it just wasn't in the video posted), but that has nothing to do with the rule itself.
I do agree it should have been a balk. (And, I'm assuming time was not out before the trick -- in that instance, it's not a balk, but the out doesn't stand, either.)
Balk! Balk balk balk balk! balk balk balk!
Couldn't find a chicken.