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Hokie,

Is the size of Barry Bonds head evidence of evolution?

Peace to you and yours in the new year and may it bring blessings and great baseball to all.

Okay, I stand corrected, Barry Bonds' head is evidence of evolution...but what will be the end product if he is only part of a chain?

(Insert gotwood goofy photo here)

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My point was that evolution is indeed a theory and certainly should be taught, but creationism is also a "theory", which gets knocked out because of the faith element.

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Originally posted by Eyeontheball:
Hokie,

Is the size of Barry Bonds head evidence of evolution?

Peace to you and yours in the new year and may it bring blessings and great baseball to all.

Barry Bonds' head is reference to the saying, "Cut the balloon juice."

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Originally posted by BaseballmomandCEP:
If the people posting here are very interested in examining college campus 'cultures' and faculty leanings based on this "PC" issue, I suggest you look at "Choosing the Right College: The Whole Truth about America's Top Schools." Publisher is ISI.

I ordered it not realizing its conservative agenda, and I am neither endorsing it nor knocking it. I have some families that value its point of view, and some that would find it offensive!

But if this conversation is important to you, and this frame of reference has value for you, it is a book that really tries hard to sort out this issue on some top college campuses. It examines the core curriculum very carefully which I find to be helpful regardless of your "PC is good/PC is bad" point of view!


Happy New Year to all!

Well since this thread seems to now be regularly covering PC on campus(sorry OP if I was responsible), I will comment on this post.

Interestingly enough, I do not see freedom of speech as either a conservative or liberal issue. Granted liberals use to want to protect the most vile of speech and "expression" by defending things like flag burning, and even Nazi's marching. However when PC became new the alter some so called liberals worshiped at, they began to own PC because it is the antithesis of freedom of speech. To me genuine PC cannot be considered good by anyone not infected by it's brainwashing, regardless of their political point of view.

Rest assured many campuses are infected, some to a ridiculous degree. One of the most absurd examples was the "Water Buffalo" comment uttered by the UPenn student. Regardless, PC is being used on college campuses to indoctrinate generations of kids into compliant or fearful automatons who will not express their point of view.

IF 18-22 year old kids (adults) are susceptible to brainwashing perhaps it is because of what they were taught, or not taught, prior to entering college. Frankly, I do not fear my kids being exposed to any thoughts or ideas, be they mainstream or lunatic fringe.

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Originally posted by Vector:
Regardless, PC is being used on college campuses to indoctrinate generations of kids into compliant or fearful automatons who will not express their point of view.

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Originally posted by MTH:
IF 18-22 year old kids (adults) are susceptible to brainwashing perhaps it is because of what they were taught, or not taught, prior to entering college. Frankly, I do not fear my kids being exposed to any thoughts or ideas, be they mainstream or lunatic fringe.

Some kids are more susceptible than others. Keep in mind that many kids go though adolescent angst, rebelliousness, etc. Some wind up being heavily influenced by professors, boyfriend/girlfriends that can do no wrong, etc., while away from their parents. You combine that with kids tendencies to be naive, and the college environment can have a heavy influence on them. So while a few kids might be so grounded that even Berkley might not influence them, rest assured that many a kid does. Furthermore, why would anyone want their kid to be subjected to a college where PC rules the campus even if they will not be brainwashed by it?.

A student's major can determine how much PC exposure they will have in the classroom. My daughter majored in forensic science with a minor in criminology. She said any PC thinking she was exposed did not relate to her major. My son is majoring in finance and economics in a school of management. Economists tend to be liberal. But overall, school of management professors are business consultants.

As I mentioned someplace else my son received a D on a poly sci paper on the Occupy movement. He was raised on personal accountability and responsibility. Then when you have what you need you help others to help themselves. His philosophy did not sell well in the poly sci department. He spend time at Occupy talking with protestors before writing his paper. He wasn't swayed by any of their thinking. He said he heard complaining, not potential solutions. He said it reminded him of the complainers on the end of the bench in high school sports who didn't think the coach was fair.

RJM,
The umpire is always right on judgement calls even when he is wrong. The same goes for tenured professors. Sometimes a student may want to flavor a paper to fit the professor or be willing to suffer the consequences to their grade. It is a good life lesson. Some will decide that the lesson was that it is worth standing up for your beliefs and others will decide that the lesson is that there are better situations in which to stand up for what you believe in.

I believe it is something to be discussed over a beer.

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Originally posted by CADad:
RJM,
The umpire is always right on judgement calls even when he is wrong. The same goes for tenured professors. Sometimes a student may want to flavor a paper to fit the professor or be willing to suffer the consequences to their grade. It is a good life lesson. Some will decide that the lesson was that it is worth standing up for your beliefs and others will decide that the lesson is that there are better situations in which to stand up for what you believe in.

I believe it is something to be discussed over a beer.

I got my son the book "1001 Things Every College Student Needs to Know: (Like Buying Your Books Before Exams Start)". There is one thing in there that goes something like "It is your professors' world. You are merely taking up space in it." It's ashame that some professors cannot be open minded but it is like any other profession. There are usually a few bad apples.

I had warned my son (and daughter before him) about teacher's political views heading into high school and reminded them it can be worse in college. They've always told the teacher what they wanted to hear and walked away with the A.

After visiting an Occupy site he felt has had to speak his mind on his experience. He got an A- in the course. He figures the D paper cost him an A. He said he's not going to worry about losing .3 in one course in the overall realm of college grades.

Was his paper pro or con on the occupy site?

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Originally posted by ken:
Was his paper pro or con on the occupy site?

THe answer is five posts above.

Sorry for missing your earlier post. Unfortunately that was the answer I expected.