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Over the years it seems I've heard less and less about pitchers' ability to hide the ball from the batter as long as possible. I hear it occasionally on MLB broadcasts but not often (heard it about Dontrelle Willis the other day). I guess I'm really addressing this comment about RHPs since lefties are so unorthodox, slinging it across their bodies in most cases, they probably naturally hide the ball a little better.

Watching so many young RHPs come up with what appear to be very clean mechanics (i.e. Mark Prior, Anthony Reyes, et. al.), it seems that the ball can be picked up much quicker when RHPs have this type of throwing motion. I assume that Tom House, etc. have taught these mechanics for better pitch quality, velocity, and perhaps most importantly, healthy arms.

Can a young RHP pitcher be taught to hide the ball a bit and still have solid, healthy mechanics. Or does hiding the ball imply inefficient or unhealthy mechanics? It seems to me that if the batter takes an extra tenth to pick up the pitch, that really shortens his reaction time and makes the perceived velocity that much better.

I'm curious to hear thoughts from pitchers and pitching coaches here in the group.

Thanks.
Jon
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Keeping in mind that my number is 54 and my softball team is "More Cowbell"...

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Originally posted by willj1967:
Watching so many young RHPs come up with what appear to be very clean mechanics (i.e. Mark Prior, Anthony Reyes, et. al.)...


Tom House's declarations notwithstanding, Prior and Reyes do not have clean mechanics. That's why Prior is constantly injured (and why Reyes has had injury problems that will probably continue).


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Originally posted by willj1967:Can a young RHP pitcher be taught to hide the ball a bit and still have solid, healthy mechanics. Or does hiding the ball imply inefficient or unhealthy mechanics? It seems to me that if the batter takes an extra tenth to pick up the pitch, that really shortens his reaction time and makes the perceived velocity that much better.


Yes.

Actually, it's problematic mechanics, namely excessively reverse-rotating the shoulders, that makes it easier for the batter to see the ball. Guys who take the ball straight back toward 2B both hide the ball better and reduce their risk of injury.
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Originally posted by willj1967:
Over the years it seems I've heard less and less about pitchers' ability to hide the ball from the batter as long as possible. I hear it occasionally on MLB broadcasts but not often (heard it about Dontrelle Willis the other day). I guess I'm really addressing this comment about RHPs since lefties are so unorthodox, slinging it across their bodies in most cases, they probably naturally hide the ball a little better.

Watching so many young RHPs come up with what appear to be very clean mechanics (i.e. Mark Prior, Anthony Reyes, et. al.), it seems that the ball can be picked up much quicker when RHPs have this type of throwing motion. I assume that Tom House, etc. have taught these mechanics for better pitch quality, velocity, and perhaps most importantly, healthy arms.

Can a young RHP pitcher be taught to hide the ball a bit and still have solid, healthy mechanics. Or does hiding the ball imply inefficient or unhealthy mechanics? It seems to me that if the batter takes an extra tenth to pick up the pitch, that really shortens his reaction time and makes the perceived velocity that much better.

I'm curious to hear thoughts from pitchers and pitching coaches here in the group.

Thanks.
Jon


One of the imperatives taught by Tom House is called "delayed shoulder rotation". This entails keeping the shoulders in the closed position while the hips open up and the body tracks forward. Delayed shoulder rotation has the effect of hiding the ball behind the pitcher's head (assuming the throwing arm gets into the high cocked position when it should).
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Originally posted by TPBulldogs35:
All I gotta say is Roger Clemens..hides the ball pretty well for a right handed pitcher and his mechanics are solid.

Clemens does not reverse-rotate - he aligns his shoulders with his target and takes his throwing hand straight back. (BTW, so does Prior.) It is his delay shoulder rotation combined with taking the ball straight back that hides the ball.

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