high school team rankings?

anybody know about this? thanks.

Here's one to get the argument started..
top 100

Oh Boy! Fresh ammo for another board.

Pretty cool. My school isn't on there, but that was expected. I know someone who works at the IMG Academies (#42), so it's cool to see them on there.

www.sunshinestatebaseball.com

No. 55, West Springfield, is in our district and has two very good pitchers returning this year. One signed with Clemson and another recently committed to Ole Miss.

Golfball,

How is Osbourn (Manassas VA) supposed to do this year?

PG,
Nice to see Brophy Prep made number 10 in your poll. They look loaded. Pinnacle HS plays them next week and it should be a great game. I a going to be there along with a heck of a lot of other people. It should be one of the better early season games here in AZ.

I'm not familiar with the Cedar District but saw this poll for who people thought would win that district.

Battlefield 7.69%
Culpeper 0.00%
Fauquier 0.00%
Liberty 0.00%
Loudoun Valley 23.08%
Osbourn 15.38%
Osbourn Park 38.46%
Stonewall Jackson 15.38%

Here is another ranking from Baseball America:

http://www.baseballamerica.com...ngs/2009/267687.html

If you think College Rankings are diverse check out all the HS rankings which are even more diverse

High school rankings are usually all over the board and based on reputations etc...

Rankings are fun to talk about, especially if you're mentioned.

Truly, though, there is no way to compare teams from one coast to the other.

BA in particular has no actual scouting service, so it's just a guy or two sitting in their offices taking a flier on who looks to have a loaded roster.

Also there have been certain teams who regularly beat up on weak competition and end up near the top, only to get their heads handed to them when they get to something like, e.g., the Anderson Bat tournament in March. Last year, BA had a team at or near # 1 and they just barely averted last place in the week in California. Turns out they were very good at killing teams from small, inner city private schools. Not so ready for prime time, though.

My son's team plays Coppell (#2) tonight!

Of the teams listed, the one I'm most interested in seeing is Jesuit, at #5. I've watched these young men grow up playing together and will be very interested in seeing if they perform up to their potential this spring. I can't wait to see the first real games, once the scrimmages are done.

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PG,
Nice to see Brophy Prep made number 10 in your poll.

Just to set things straight. I, personally, have nothing to do with those rankings. Our major interest involves individual players, not teams.

However, I do think these kind of rankings are fun to look at. I know a lot of work goes into them. It would be neat if the very best teams actually played each other or if there was a good way to compare them. I'm sure that all the teams ranked anywhere are deserving and I'm positive that all the rankings will be changing as the season progresses.

Cottonwood's ranking seems okay to me (#52). Coach Hoover puts an impressive Varsity line-up together every year (4-time State Champions at 4A), and 2 of their previous pitching "studs" are currently with OSU. With their next one listed with Washington State, you can see that he "recruits" rather well.

Our HS played Bishop Gorman last season. We lost, 13-6, but then a great many teams have lost to them <grin>.

On the PG Top 100 teams ranking. IMO Jeff Simpson did about 1/2 of a good job.

I am very dissapointed. Specifically with his details. He got the schools fairly right based on their last years accomplishments. He got the top prospects right.

Then he completely fell off. He missed really important details. Got kids names wrong. Missed others completely. Included kids who have really done nothing at the hs level. AND THIS WAS A HIGH SCHOOL REPORT.

I read through the teams I was very familiar with and he was just off.

IMO, he took someone elses word for it, did not do
his own due dillegence.

It looks like he took the same "flier" someone accused someone else of taking.

If you cant get the details right dont report them.

Correction on Cottonwood: 3-time State Champions at 4A; the 4th straight championship was when they were 5A in 2005.

playfair,

The main idea for doing the rankings is to create interest in high school baseball. I believe you if you say there are some mistakes. Regarding players who have yet to do anything in high school... There is a player listed who is a protential first round pick this year as a pitcher. Last year he didn't pitch at all in high school.

Anyway, I would like to know what these mistakes are. Maybe we could correct them. For sure we would check into it. I'm not sure where Jeff gets all his information or how he goes about ranking the teams, but I will find out. I only know he did it last year and we discovered his rankings were by far the closest of any from the beginning to the final rankings.

Rankings do create controversy, but I really would appreciate knowing about any mistakes. We have already found some typos and misidentifications on names of players. I can't believe he just took a flier on this project, thinking no one would notice. I would imagine it was a lot of work with many people involved. Please feel free to help if you know of mistakes... Others have via email.

PGStaff, I have such complete and total respect for you and I am a PG lover. My kid has participated in plenty of PG stuff.. (ie. WWBA, BCS and showcases) and, you and the PG staff set the bar high in my mind for the rest of the PG staff (and the rest of the reporting baseball community).

I have a very good knowledge of the current hs top/former prospects(2008/2009/2010, top 2011s), and good knowledge of the the 2008/2009/2010 mid prospects. I have subscriptions to BA, PGC, NCAA, NJCAA, and am fairly normal as far as posters here go.

We all do our homework.

So, when I read through the list and saw the general order of the rankings list I thought well, Jeff did a nice job of ranking the teams as far as what teams accomplished last year. He upped some teams that have really top rated top prospects accordingly. Acknowledged some teams that lost key players but left them in the rankings based on prior past good deeds.

The problem was in the details. Which is why is said he did about half of a good job. He bailed after that (IMO).

I think he called some coaches and got a glib answer or two and went with it. He did not appear to do any research of his details.

He got some commitments wrong, names wrong, missed some key players and included some players that have no hs experience (thus why I believe he had phone conversations with hs coaches)and I just was dissapointed with the report based on how it meshed with my homework.

So I say only report what you can report accurately. He did a good job mostly. Its not perfect.

I think I may hold PG to a Godly standard (unfair I know... but PG is great. The report was only good to a point.)

I couldn't help but notice that there are 6 Wake Forest recruits mentioned in that listing!

playfair,

Maybe my post was confusing. I know you have always said nice things about us. Also, I respect your knowledge and believe you when you say there are mistakes in the details. I don't think this is sour grapes on your part. I also know that you wouldn't mention any names on a public forum. All I meant, if it didn't come out right, was that I'd like to know what those mistakes are. It would be greatly appreciated if you would email or PM me about that.

Thanks and you are holding us to a standard we will never attain.

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Originally posted by playfair:
I have a very good knowledge of the current hs top/former prospects(2008/2009/2010, top 2011s), and good knowledge of the the 2008/2009/2010 mid prospects. I have subscriptions to BA, PGC, NCAA, NJCAA, and am fairly normal as far as posters here go.

So, let's see your list. C'mon, playfair.

Very happy to see my son's high school team(Rocky Mount Senior High) get recognized in the PG # 33 spot. It's interesting to note that we play PG's # 67 team, Wesleyan Christian in the Impact Invitational at USA Baseball Complex in Cary, NC next Saturday. This event has got to be the best early season scheduling job in high school baseball. Andy Partin has expanded it in the 2nd year to try and include the top teams as well as teams with top prospects. It's also held at a great venue.
http://www.impactbaseball.com/...etail.asp?NewsID=420

PGStaff, you are right. It is not sour grapes and I wont name names pubically. It would not be nice, fair or right.

PGStaff (I have given this a little more thought and I hate when people complain without specifics or a solution so give me a couple of days to compile a few correct details and I will send them to you privately.

Thanks for always being such a class act.

Here's another list for ammo.



http://www.baseballamerica.com...ngs/2009/267687.html

Powertoallfields, I did read through the BA list. I thought it was good. What I liked about their list is El Toro's placement. El Toro is so crazy good this year!

more to follow...

Two teams in our region on the PG list. Roswell at #21 and Lassiter at #71. Interesting to note Roswell was not on the BBAmerica list and Lassiter is #4 on their list. Either way, we'll have our hands full playing both of them.

The rankings are always fun but I saw first hand what a high ranking can bring. As a Coppell Cowboy fan - #2 and #5 on the the two lists it was apparent last night that some nerves come with the ranking.

They won the first two but at some points either game could have went the other direction but in the end the boys stood up and executed what they have learned over the years.

As for rankings, neither PG or Baseball America have Plano West listed this year.....yet. They won it all last year and have fully reloaded.

Coppell plays in district with Flower Mound - #53 in PG and #19 in BA and plays them three times this year, so the odds of going undefeated are not good. Southlake Carroll is #38 in the BA poll and in our district also and they got beat in the finals last year by Plano West.....and Coppell plays them(Plano West) next Friday.

The long story short is the teams that finish at the top of these lists will be real good but the ones that start at the top will have to fight to stay on top.

Either way the boys are excited to be playing for real right now.

Well Cowboy fan, I think inadvertantly you made a great point.

Every sees things a little different, but it did exactly what Mr. Ford said it should - GENERATE INTEREST IN HIGH SCHOOL BASEBLL.

I'll put in a plug for Manchester High in Chesterfield, VA.

They are the best team this year from a district that had two top 100 teams in it last year, and the district that has won the last 3 state AAA championships.

I wonder if it would be possible to do the rankings like they do for travel and high school hockey.

www.myhockeyrankings.com

They've figured out a formula to compare the teams, and I've found it to be pretty accurate.

http://myhockeyrankings.com/faq.php#02

For fun, I did a side by side of the PGC rankings with the BA rankings.

I listed the hs teams alphabetically starting with the PGC ranking on the left and the BA ranking next with the HS listed next. The * represents players that attend ranked high school that attended the PG Nationals. (Kind of fun to see how well PG picks their talent for the Nationals)...

I will work on Area Code kids next.

PGC BA High School Notable players
Nr 15 American Heritage *Devon Marrrero, *Darnell Sweeny
69 17 Andrean
26 Avon Old Farms *Tim Brechbuehler
31 Barbe
12 11 Bellaire
1 1 Bishop Gorman
92 Bishop Hendricken
Nr 39 Blue Valley, Stilwell KS
82 Boiling Springs
54 Brandon
10 Brophy Prep *Jacob Williams
47 45 Brother Rice *Matthew Conway
74 34 Calallen TX
32 Calvert Hall
34 Cardinal Mooney *Ryan Heuler
80 Carmel
22 22 Capistrano Valley *Tyler Matzek *Nolan Clark
Nr 38 Carroll, South Lake TX
25 41 Cartersville *Donavan Tate
61 Cathedral
11 Cathedral Catholic *Matthew Moynihan *Jonathon Meyer
59 Chaparral
23 25 Cherry Creek
58 Columbus
2 5 Coppell *Jonathon Walsh *Chad Kettler *Jacob Morris
52 Cottonwood
99 Cullman
72 Deering
Nr 28 Desert Ridge , Mesa AZ
27 Divine Child
4 6 Don Bosco Prep *Niko Spezial *Brett Knief *Anthony Gomez
36 42 Dorman
68 Eagles View Academy *Matt Bergquist *Austin Maddox
100 Eastside Catholic
29 2 El Toro *Nolan Arenado, *Chad Thompson
3 10 Farragut *Jordan Cooper *Kurt Powell
76 Fayetteville
24 27 Florida Christian
53 19 Flower Mound
15 Germantown Academy *Tommy Coyle *Jason Thompson
65 36 George Washington (NY)
44 Harrison *Davis Hamby
43 Hartselle
Nr 40 Hoover (Alabama)
78 Houston Christian
42 IMG/Pendleton
5 30 Jesuit CA *Jimmy Bosco *A. Susac *Danny Hayes
45 Jesuit New Orleans
48 Jesuit Tampa
6 Katy *Keifer Nuncio
28 Klein *Purke
49 24 La Cueva
73 Lakeland
56 Lamar Consolidated
98 Las Vegas (Bryce Harper)
71 4 Lassiter *Blake Crohan *Kevin Link
8 21 Malvern Prep *Mike Lubanski *Chris Gosik
40 35 Mamaroneck (NY)
13 31 Mater Dei
84 8 Menchville *Ethan Carter
Nr 12 Millard West HS, Omaha
41 Moody *Rudy Flores
7 Monte Vista *Mark Appel *Christian Jones
60 32 Neuqua Valley *Ian Kroll
94 Nitro
14 16 Norco
Nr 7 North Cobb HS, Kennesaw, GA
38 20 Notre Dame Prep *Andy Wilder *Casey Upperman
30 Nova *Michael Broad
Nr 14 Ocean Springs
79 Olympia
95 Orange Lutheran - *Pierce Bily
17 Oviedo *Malcolm Clapsaddle
18 18 Owasso
Nr 26 Oxford *Brandon Roberts
Nr 23 Ozark
9 3 Park Vista *Kamm Washington
16 Parkview Baptist
Nr 13 Plant HS, Tampa *Mychal Givens, *Graham Ramos
Nr 37 Pleasure Ridge Park , Louisville
Nr 29 Plymouth(Mass) North
91 46 Providence *Richie Shaffer
75 Puyallup
93 Richland
97 Ronald Regan
33 Rocky Mount
39 9 Rocky Mountain *Bryan Peters
21 Roswell
46 Russell County
64 49 Sarasota *Garrett Custons *Scooter Gennett
87 Science Hill
57 Serra
70 Seton Hall Prep
19 Simi Valley
89 Starr’s Mill
83 Stratford
50 Strongsville
35 St. Edward
77 St. Rita
81 St. John’s Prep
86 50 St. Ignatius
85 Tates Creek
37 The Woodlands
Nr 43 Troupe La Grange GA *Luke Bailey
96 44 Tupelo
90 University
66 33 Walsh Jesuit
63 Wando
88 Waxahachie *Colton Cain *Drew Harrison
67 Wesleyan Christian Academy *Will Myers
51 West Chester East
20 West Orange *Nolan Fontana
55 West Springfield
Nr 47 Wetumpka (Ala)
Nr 48 Yuba City, CA *Max Stassi
62 Yukon *Chad James

Well, It got a little compressed. If there is only one ranking it is the PGC ranking.

geez, i wish this thing had an edit reply. if there is a Nr, it was not ranked by PGC and ranked by BA... The Nr represents PGC and the number in that case represents BA.

Here is yet another list, this time from ESPN RISE:
http://proxy.espn.go.com/highs...0020000&seasonType=1

Anyone want to take a crack at correlating this to PGC and BA?

I will give it a hack and repost the list.