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First off, I'd like to say how glad I am that I found this site. It's wonderful! So much great information. I've spent several hours reading through A LOT of posts and I've learned a lot of stuff, but I still have a bit of a dilemma. I'd really appreciate some feedback or advice from those of you who have experience with these issues. I'll try to make this as brief as possible. My son is 14 and he just started high school. He loves baseball, been playing since he was a little guy and has been dying to get to high school so he could play at a more competitive level. The school he attends has a reputation for having a great team and there are always lots of kids trying out so my son has been very serious about preparing for tryouts. One of the coaches held a meeting around Thanksgiving to have guys sign up and begin weight training. They train 4 days a week and the coach said that if they missed more than a couple of days, they would be crossed off the roster. This I didn't understand because doing the training doesn't guarantee you a spot on the team, you still have to try out and I would think that there are gonna be kids who show up for tryouts who weren't training for 3 months, but anyway, my son signed up because he wants to do whatever the coaches want and I totally agreed. So he's been training now for 2 weeks. There is basically no supervision in the weight room and the kids are told by the guy who runs the weight room, the gym teacher and basketball coach, to lift a lot of weight. They were never instructed on proper technique. They are only told what to do and how many of each thing. They bench press, do squats with the weights and things like that. My son came home and told me was benching 185, free weights. I almost had a heart attack. He was doing 145 with the squats. Now, I'm no professional but common sense dictates that you should start off relatively low and work your way up, so I had a talk with him and everything was cool. Then a kid, a rather promising freshman pitcher, had an accident when he lifted more than he could handle while doing squats. He fell and the bar landed on the back of his neck. He was rushed to the hospital. Turns out he fractured a vertebra in his neck and can never play sports again. I thought for sure the school would provide more supervision after this, but they didn't. Several days later, another kid got rushed off to the hospital because he started having seizures after lifting too much. Again, nobody was supervising at the time. I have a friend who is a personal trainer in New York and he flipped when I told him about the school's program. He said they shouldn't be working out 4 days a week for an hour and a half a day and they shouldn't be lifting so much, especially with no supervision and/or instruction on proper technique. He also said that they should be eating a certain diet while training. My son told me that guys in the weight room typically drink Coke and eat candy and other garbage while working out. So I am at a loss here. I don't want my son to continue doing this. He does pushups, situps and jogs on a daily basis and has a nice strong body. Heavy lifting can cause damage on a still developing body. My problem is that I'm afraid that if he drops out of the program it would make the coaches mad and hurt his chance of making the team. I have no experience at all with high school sports so could someone please tell me if this is typical of a school program. If this is what is expected of a kid hoping to play on the high school team then I'd rather my son didn't do it. It's not worth risking a long term injury. I'm dying to talk to a coach, but I'm hesitant to do that because I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate me questioning their methods. Any feedback or advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Heres a players advice,so take it for what its worth.

Lifting,alot of the time,is done without supervision.Self restraint and discpline needs to be shown.We have 2 groups,one that hits in our indoor facility,while one lifts(then switch half way through winter practices).The players just need to be smart about their weight,if they get injured because of lifting too much thats in a way their own fault.Just know your limits

But mainly,No,I know thats not how high school programs are ran in my area of the country.The coach should pay more attention to the incomers,if he wants them to take him seriously on the ball field.

Im sure others around here will give you a better statement than this,but thats how the program I am in is ran.
In addition to being a coach and part-time fitness trainer, I'm also a high school athletic director. If I were you, I would talk to the athletic director AND principal if you were uncomfortable talking to the coach about these serious issues. The principal is in control of everything and typically has more authority than the athletic director.
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Thanks for replying so quickly guys. Futurecatcher- Obviously the kids have to be smart about things, but unfortunately, if they do not receive proper instruction then damage can be done and that's the problem I have. They should at the very least be taught technique and safety. And that still doesn't change the fact that 14 and 15 yr olds are too young to be doing heavy lifting.
Maxx- I appreciate your advice, especially given your experience. You don't think I should worry about creating any waves by going to the director and the principal? At this point I really shouldn't care, but my son really wants to make the team.
Sadly, this is very common.

Go straight to the top. Obviously the coach doesn't care enough to set up proper supervision/training.

Given the opportunity, kids will always try to lift more weight than they can handle. It's natural trying to prove yourself and ego getting in the way. Certainly can't blame the kids, the coach is responsible here.
If 2 kids getting taken to the hospital didn't create waves, then it is time that someone else did!!

Weightroom is very scary situation. I have coaches who don't lock the weightroom up, and then I go down there and there are kids lifting on their own. Then the kids get ****ed at me cause I kick them out!! Also, when I am supervising my softball girls in the weightroom, other coaches will just send their kids down expecting me to supervise them since I am already there--really burns me! That's the biggest reason I hate being AD--all the babysitting of the coaches. Some people just don't understand the responsibilities of being a coach and supervising kids.....
The lifting without supervision is what gets me.. I can't believe a school would allow that to happen! Our school weight room is never locked either, but I've never heard of people being in there unsupervised.

Part of the problem is that the coach most likely has no training in weight lifting therefore he can't hardly teach the athletes how to do so.

We've had our weight room for 7 years and have had two accidents. The first one was a kid passed out because he was being stupid trying to hold his breath or something, fell and hit his head on some weight. The second one, a kid lost a little bit of a finger I think because he was doing dumbell press and when he was setting the weight down, he smashed his finger between two dumbells.

I'd get him out of there in a hurry! I'm not a big fan of the "elite club" teams, but in this case, I'd rather see a player playing for one of them than to be in a situation like this that doesn't make any sense.
Thanks guys. You don't know how much I appreciate your opinions. I've been agonizing over this all weekend and it's annoying the heck out of me. I didn't mention earlier that I'm a mom - a single mom no less, and that can complicate things even further cause some people act as though you're just being over-protective or something. I'm always second guessing myself so it helps to get feedback from others. None of the other parents are complaining or expressing any concern so I'm alone in this situation, which I find very disturbing. I can't believe no one else is worried about their child's safety. I was thinking the same thing you said, Bulldog, that I'd prefer my kid play for a club team than this school. The sad thing is my son really really wants to play for the school, but he's reasonable and intelligent and he understands my concerns.
So, now I have one more final question for you guys. My son is going to talk to one of the baseball coaches tomorrow and ask him whether or not the weight training is mandatory. If the coach says no and he's cool with my son doing his own training outside of school should I still let him try out for the team or should he just stay away from these people altogether?

Thank you so much!!! You all have helped me tremendously.
I can't answer that without knowing the coaches better....

Your situation is not unique---I have coaches at our school who neglect weight room safety all the time. I can't believe that they would jeopardize a kid's safety and their careers, but they do! Then when I get the same kids when I'm watching the weight room, they ***** because I make them use clips and spotters. Now I don't use clips or spotters all of the time when I lift, but it is MY safety. I'm not willing to throw away my career because some kid doesn't know what the hell he's doing in there, I don't care how much they whine and complain. Anyway....sorry, I am just so fed up with some of my coaches...

That's why going to the principal is your best bet--he/she has the most clout. Even when I mention something to the coach, or put it in their evaluation, it doesn't seem to make them change.

Can your son still go to the workouts, but do his own training program? There are several knowledgeable people here who would be willing to give him some training programs....
I thought I had seen it all, I was wrong again. An administrator or principal is your best choice, as they are a thrid party and have no influence on sports, unless they too are a coach. A third party is best, when I had a coach start making blatant remarks about family members of mine I knew I had to go to a councilor, becaue this coach and the AD are tight so a third party was necessary.

There are many people here who would be willing to help you out with a plan for your son. Since the coaches don't sound like they are really paying any attention to the workouts then it should be no big deal that your son follows a different plan from everyone else. I would recommend you make the investment of putting a power rack in your basement, garage, etc., but if he must lift at school that is out of the question.
Hey Maxx, I don't blame you for being fed up. That must be incredibly frustrating. I'd be getting pretty ****ed off too.

I was looking in this Sunday's want ads and there was an ad for a principal AND an AD at my son's school. I don't know if it's just a coincidence or if maybe the **** hit the fan last week after the two kids got taken to the hospital. I'll have to try and find out. I would think that the parents of the kid who hurt his neck would probably try to sue. Maybe the school will implement some changes now, but I will take everyone's advice and speak to the principal. That's what I wanted to do initially, but I had several people in my family telling me not to because the coaches would hold it against my son. Obviously though, this situation is too serious to worry about that. I'm glad I talked to you guys.

UpstateNY- That's a great idea about the power rack. I don't think the coaches would allow a kid to do their own program at the school and until he's older and bigger I really don't want him in there anyway.

Thanks again guys. Your information and advice has been invaluable.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lsj18:
Thanks for replying so quickly guys. Futurecatcher- Obviously the kids have to be smart about things, but unfortunately, if they do not receive proper instruction then damage can be done and that's the problem I have. They should at the very least be taught technique and safety. And that still doesn't change the fact that 14 and 15 yr olds are too young to be doing heavy lifting.
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Ya,thats definately true.Someone should be there to help with technique,and form.Otherwise,whats the point?

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