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A bit of background, I am a salesman by trade but out of necessity I have been immersed in baseball for the past fifteen years. I have been open minded and tried to learn as much as possible about the game so that I could work with my boys.

Son #1 is in his first year at a competitive junior college program. He has always been an above average hitter with the ability to hit for a high average and decent power numbers. In the summer after his junior year in high school, he developed a bad habit of getting out on his front foot. We worked long and hard to correct the problem and finally got it fixed. However, somewhere along the way, he lost the pop in his bat. We were both at a loss to explain the decrease in power. Son #1 got lessons from several hitting instructors in our part of the state and all had good suggestions but nothing seemed to correct the problem. He had a fairly good senior year in high school but the decrease in power was noticeable both to the eye and in the stat book. The frustration continued to build and no matter how much time, effort or money was invested, nothing improved. He went to college in August and set about competing for a starting position. Unlike in the past, he has been very streaky this fall…up down up down… At his best, Son #1 is a left handed hitting line drive machine that sprays the ball hard all over the field on a line and will occasionally hit one in the gaps for extra bases. This fall, mostly singles and hardly anything to the left side of the field with any zip on it. Finally, a couple of weeks ago, one of the coaches at his college said something that resonated with both Son and me. Coach said Son was firing his hips to soon and his hands were late getting to the ball. As I understand it, this means his hips are fully engaged and the bat is meeting the ball somewhere over the plate and likely behind the belt buckle. As I mentioned earlier, I am a salesman so I am certain I am not using the correct terminology. However, the problem as described by the coach, makes sense to me. Often times while I was throwing BP, I would tell Son he was late and that he was hitting the ball behind him. He would argue and say that he was early. Now I think we were both correct…he would fire his hips early, the hands would lag and he would hit the ball late and more often than not it would result in a spinner that would loft softly toward the left field foul line.

I have learned a lot from reading this board over the years and I am hopeful that someone will be able to provide some insight on this problem. From several hundred miles away there is not much that Dad can do other than offer encouragement. Any ideas, drills, suggestions, etc. would be appreciated. Son’s team has just finished their fall season and they will begin individual drills soon.

Please forgive me for being long winded and thanks in advance for any assistance.
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Is your son taking a stride? If so I would recommend eliminating this motion until you have completely isolated the problem and corrected it. The fewer movements that you have going on the easier it will be to correct the problem.

My son was always taught "hands first" the hands start the swing. Some will interpet this to infer a linear approach to hitting, however this is not the case at all.

Additionally my son has been taught to link the back hip with the top hand so that they both fire through the zone together. He would actually do a drill where his hands were placed on his back hip and swing from there just to get the feel of the hands and the hip working together.

Son is a fairly strong hitter at a D-2 and gets his share of extra base hits. He is not a pure rotational hitter by any means, yet relies heavily on his lower half and core to power the ball into gaps, yet has been taught to start with his hands...
Have you taken him to an instructor who uses slo-motion video? I don’t want to get into a linear vs rotational discussion, but I think a good instructor who understands the rotational aspects of the swing and one who uses slo-motion video could be of assistance to you. The reason I say this is that my son worked with a guy who spent a lot of time getting my son’s swing “connected” meaning his hips and hands connected and firing at the same time. Long stride, small stride, no stride are all timing and personal issues and he did not really care what he did - just that he did it consistently, and he was comfortable. Not being connected however is a fundamental problem. Hands firing late like your son, or in the case of my soon too soon is a power killer. When you see it in slow motion video the student and instructor can talk through what he is doing wrong, go take some swings and come back and see how he did. The feedback is immediate and visually it is really easy to see and it gets rid of the hitting mumbo jumbo bla bla bla that some instructors spew out. Don’t know if it will help, but just a thought. I will also say this, getting feedback from too many coaches is just going to create problems. Good luck.
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Originally posted by MDteX:
??? I've never seen anyone that is double jointed in the hips. They go at the same time.


I wondered who would bite first.Smile Of course the hips move at the same time, we agree. We are talking about the relationship of the hips to the shoulders, though. Have you ever done the Twist?

Look at videos/pictures of MLB hitters and let me know if you see any where the back hip is ahead of the back shoulder at contact. How can that happen if the front hip "opens"?
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Thanks for responses thus far.

To answer a few of the questions…Son takes a small step during his “normal” swing. We have done extensive work both on a tee and during BP where he would not stride at all. In hindsight, it seems as though this may have exacerbated the problem. We were focusing only on the hips during those drills whereas the problem may lie with the hands. Perhaps we should take it even further, no stride, no hips, only hands?

We have used video extensively, both with and without instructors. However, during the times we used the video, we were not aware/had not considered the diagnosis recently provided by Son’s college coach.

Floridafan it is interesting you use the term “hands first”. We were always instructed “hips first”, yet Son’s college coach recently told him “hands first” to launch the swing. Perhaps this avenue will be explored in depth when they begin their individual workouts.

BOF, regardless of what our specific problem is, hips, hands, etc., I think you have hit the nail on the head. Son is not “connected”. Something is out of sequence and my lack of training/knowledge has hindered our correcting the problem.

Any ideas how to work on proper sequencing of a swing? Please provide any info in simple English or perhaps drill suggestions. Some of the discussions on this board lose me quickly.

Thanks again.
You will just get more confused here and start some esoteric argument that will go on for pages and pages and in the end no one will remember what the original question was.

I have heard Mike Epstein’s stuff is good, but have never used any of it. Probably a good place to start to get yourself educated on some basics. They can probably refer you to an instructor in your area.

IMO you will just mess him up by trying to thrash around and fix it yourself.

But hey if you really want to have some fun post some video here and stand back and watch…..
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Originally posted by SultanofSwat:
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Originally posted by MDteX:
??? I've never seen anyone that is double jointed in the hips. They go at the same time.


I wondered who would bite first.Smile Of course the hips move at the same time, we agree. We are talking about the relationship of the hips to the shoulders, though. Have you ever done the Twist?

Look at videos/pictures of MLB hitters and let me know if you see any where the back hip is ahead of the back shoulder at contact. How can that happen if the front hip "opens"?


That's good to know. For a minute I thought my son needed to work on flexibility!
Hips and hands should move together and not seperate, as stated earlier. To me it starts with a great load to the back side then just let the hips and hands come through naturally.

May be focus on the loading part of the swing and see if that helps. My eldest had a similar issue, but when we figured out his loading he started squaring balls up consistantly.

Lefty...
If we answered this question of power we will have found the Holy Grail. Power starts at the feet and moves to the core through the shoulders and then to the hands. Watch Evan Longoria and David Write both good hitters with great sync from Base to Core to Hands. A great tool is the Powerball drills with the ProXTee Hitting System. It will help you find the power leaks in the swing

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