Hit Batter

banditsbb,

You are correct. Under Fed rule 3-3-1m the umpire can eject the player for deliberately throwing the bat but no out is recorded. In your scenario the proper procedure is to call for a substitute for the ejected player and place him at first base.

were you playing FED rules?

Either rulebook, if you eject the batter then he is replaced on first. Whenever somethig like this happens then you should protest. That way the umpire or manager learns the correct ruling. Even if your state doesn't allow protests, you can tell the umpire you want a report filed with the assoc so you get a ruling.

We were playing modified american league rules. What bothered me most was that we were a 15-u team playing in the upper division of a 15-19 fall league. Which means the team was mostly 18 & 19 year olds that we were playing. I wasn't upset about the player being hit, because I'm sure the pitcher was trying to stress the point that your playing with the big boys. The problem I have is that the umpire new we were a young team and when I tried to argue that you can't give my team a out on the play I was also ejected. When I complained to the umpire assigner it just fell on deaf ears. Thanks for the replys.

One other question?

Is it just up here or does it seem harder & harder to get qualified umps. This is not a knock on umpires, it just seems as though when the more experienced guys retire there isn't that many new guys in blue to take their place.

Whether you felt the umpire was completely wrong in his call, it is no reason to get tossed. That is a rule interpretation and subject to protest.
Where in MD are you? Many groups use Summer and Fall ball to train less experienced guys, they have to learn somewhere. The problem lies in the fact that some groups don't train enough. I'm on the Lower Eastern Shore and we train a ton. Our young guys are starting in HS ball at least five yrs ahead of where I was when I started.

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Originally posted by banditsbb:
We were playing modified american league rules. What bothered me most was that we were a 15-u team playing in the upper division of a 15-19 fall league. Which means the team was mostly 18 & 19 year olds that we were playing. I wasn't upset about the player being hit, because I'm sure the pitcher was trying to stress the point that your playing with the big boys. The problem I have is that the umpire new we were a young team and when I tried to argue that you can't give my team a out on the play I was also ejected. When I complained to the umpire assigner it just fell on deaf ears. Thanks for the replys.

One other question?

Is it just up here or does it seem harder & harder to get qualified umps. This is not a knock on umpires, it just seems as though when the more experienced guys retire there isn't that many new guys in blue to take their place.

Question: You weren't upset about the batter being hit? I'll bet the batter wasn't too thrilled with it. The way you explained it, it appears fairly obvious that he was hit intentionally...

Getting hit intentionally is not a part of the game! Pitching inside is definitely a part of the game.

larry,what I was trying to say is that I wasn't arguing because the player got hit. I was arguing because not only was my player ejected but we were also given a out. In my eyes it was intentional, but apparently the ump didn't see it that way. I actually was very upset, because the player that was hit was my son, and one of my points to the ump was that he threw his bat because he was in pain and it was just a reaction. Unfortunately being hit is part of the game and you have to be able to control your emotions. As for pitching inside is part of the game, I couldn't agree more. This is also one of the most difficult things for young pitchers to master. So many players are taught to crowd the plate, and pitchers have to get over the fear of hitting the batter. After the game we talked about staying in control and not losing your composure which is not a easy task for a 15 yr old.

what I would have had, was a HBP....an ejection...and no out...replace the batter with a sub....

Judging the bat throw as a reaction from oain and impact might mitigate this....but that is a "had to be there"