Tiger Paw Mom, yes, you are correct......FWIW, I think you know more than TRhit.....
Top pitching dominates hitters especially at the high school level because the vast majority of even so called “decent” hitters do not have swings built to hit it.
It’s pretty sad when a college coach takes a look at an excellent high school hitter who has worked hard and is a good kid but the experienced coach recognizes that the kid’s swing probably won’t allow him to catch up to better pitching.
I'm going to start another thread called, "Don't change little Johnny's swing" to expand on this.
It’s pretty sad when a college coach takes a look at an excellent high school hitter who has worked hard and is a good kid but the experienced coach recognizes that the kid’s swing probably won’t allow him to catch up to better pitching.
I'm going to start another thread called, "Don't change little Johnny's swing" to expand on this.
Blue Dog
Just a thought for you
I may well be a represemtative just based on duration
Secondly -- from someone who is a bit older than you-- I know my ego size and I am very much at ease with it--I have learned-- don't trip over yours --because I have and that is how I learned--sometimes elders know something
You have yet to tell a anyone why you know more than anyone else--you regurgitate what you read or are directed to shill from other sites but with very little if any validity
Anyone can read, copy and paste and then regurgitate--as I invited you last year--I would be more than welcome to bring you in to one of our events and allow you to prove what you know!!!! Are you game for that !! I am sure we would sell out!!!
Also I never claimed to know more than you or anyone else for that matter, we discuss and debate here, and who who says I represent anyone--But I am glad to know you have fans who PM you--I am truly happy for you--I can now sleep at night
Just a thought for you
I may well be a represemtative just based on duration
Secondly -- from someone who is a bit older than you-- I know my ego size and I am very much at ease with it--I have learned-- don't trip over yours --because I have and that is how I learned--sometimes elders know something
You have yet to tell a anyone why you know more than anyone else--you regurgitate what you read or are directed to shill from other sites but with very little if any validity
Anyone can read, copy and paste and then regurgitate--as I invited you last year--I would be more than welcome to bring you in to one of our events and allow you to prove what you know!!!! Are you game for that !! I am sure we would sell out!!!
Also I never claimed to know more than you or anyone else for that matter, we discuss and debate here, and who who says I represent anyone--But I am glad to know you have fans who PM you--I am truly happy for you--I can now sleep at night
SBK, you're absolutely correct......Very few players can hit......Many think they can, but, they really can't....... 
Bluedog
You are truly impressing me--again you answer no questions and smear all the others--
Wait--"very few players can hit.... Many think they can,but,they really can't...."-- I guess this is by your judgement---
You are truly impressing me--again you answer no questions and smear all the others--
Wait--"very few players can hit.... Many think they can,but,they really can't...."-- I guess this is by your judgement---
"I would be more than welcome to bring you in to one of our events and allow you to prove what you know!!!! Are you game for that !!"
TRhit, just what would you want me to do at one of your events?.....I teach hitting......It's a tedious process and takes hard work.....Not a few day process and then it's showtime..........Short clinics are for dreamers.....
TRhit, just what would you want me to do at one of your events?.....I teach hitting......It's a tedious process and takes hard work.....Not a few day process and then it's showtime..........Short clinics are for dreamers.....
Bluedog
Our event is three days long with a seminar on the eve of the three days of showcase action
You again tap dance--I do not think you know anything at all--I call your card==show up!!!
I will make the arrangements to get your here-- and then when you are done pontificating I will have others speak on hitting and see where it stands
Am I laying down the guantlet---YES I AM--if you are what you say tell us here on this board that you are coming AS MY GUEST !!!!
I cannot think of a better way for you to show your stuff-- if you got it !!!
Our event is three days long with a seminar on the eve of the three days of showcase action
You again tap dance--I do not think you know anything at all--I call your card==show up!!!
I will make the arrangements to get your here-- and then when you are done pontificating I will have others speak on hitting and see where it stands
Am I laying down the guantlet---YES I AM--if you are what you say tell us here on this board that you are coming AS MY GUEST !!!!
I cannot think of a better way for you to show your stuff-- if you got it !!!
TRhit, I still don't understand just what is to be expected of me......Do you want me to give a speech?....... 
BlueDog
As my guest I want you to show those in attendance how much you know about hitting---as in a three day clinic
Is that too much @!@
As my guest I want you to show those in attendance how much you know about hitting---as in a three day clinic
Is that too much @!@
I'll take pitching every day of the week over hitting.
TRhit, and how much will you pay me?
SI
there are two schools of thought--if you have hitters you will take on any team---on the other hand if you have pitchers you want the same situation
Now you add in in the coaching aspect and strength of the team--one strength won't win it all--baseball needs all elements
You have what you want as your stregnth but you had better have the supporting strengths in their varying degrees--BASEBALL IS A TEAM GAME !!!
HEY
there are two schools of thought--if you have hitters you will take on any team---on the other hand if you have pitchers you want the same situation
Now you add in in the coaching aspect and strength of the team--one strength won't win it all--baseball needs all elements
You have what you want as your stregnth but you had better have the supporting strengths in their varying degrees--BASEBALL IS A TEAM GAME !!!
HEY
Blue Dog
Call me and we can discuss that
I am sure you have the number
My phone is next to the puter--BUT I need a name when you call--who is calling !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Call me and we can discuss that
I am sure you have the number
My phone is next to the puter--BUT I need a name when you call--who is calling !!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO ALL
Ins't amazing regarding the game we play to get to the real facts
Ins't amazing regarding the game we play to get to the real facts
Let's discuss it here where you have chosen to do so......I can cash a check made to BlueDog......How much?.......And, include the expenses in the amount, please......
Blue Dog
what is your fee?
Others may be interested
Again as typical of you., you ask and dont answer
what is your fee?
Others may be interested
Again as typical of you., you ask and dont answer
"Others may be interested"
TRhit, "others" didn't invite me, you did.......Although, it seems you want me to do this without compensation.......
Keep in mind, I only work with those who come to me......I don't solicit.....
TRhit, "others" didn't invite me, you did.......Although, it seems you want me to do this without compensation.......
Keep in mind, I only work with those who come to me......I don't solicit.....
TRhit, I could possibly bring with me several other speakers who are quite knowledgable on the subject of hitting......Can you pay $1,000/per speaker for the three day event?.....That would be exclusive of expenses, of course.....
BLUEDOG
As with all our speakers, especially unknown ones as you speak of,we will need a resume from each before consideration---and while you send theirs also include your own resume regarding to baseball
As with all our speakers, especially unknown ones as you speak of,we will need a resume from each before consideration---and while you send theirs also include your own resume regarding to baseball
This bickering back and forth is not addressing the question, but it is amusing to read!
Reminds me of my kids-10 years ago.
Just a note, a great pitcher in 1934 All-Star game struck out 5 GREAT hitters in a row-Babe
Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx, Al Simmons, and Joe Cronin.
Baltimore Orioles shut down the Dodgers in the World Series-1966 on 1 run in four games, in
1970 beat the Big Red Machine 4 games to 1(Cincinnati had team BA of about .225).
I'm sure there are instances of good hitting teams beating good pitching teams but in my
opinion great pitching beats great hitting most of the time.
Reminds me of my kids-10 years ago.
Just a note, a great pitcher in 1934 All-Star game struck out 5 GREAT hitters in a row-Babe
Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx, Al Simmons, and Joe Cronin.
Baltimore Orioles shut down the Dodgers in the World Series-1966 on 1 run in four games, in
1970 beat the Big Red Machine 4 games to 1(Cincinnati had team BA of about .225).
I'm sure there are instances of good hitting teams beating good pitching teams but in my
opinion great pitching beats great hitting most of the time.
Moc
At the HS level and in many college programs there is usually ONE great pitcher on the staff, perhaps two on a college staff---thus I will take my chance with hitting over pitching.
Playing a the schedule we due with our travel team we strive to balance the two aspects as well as we can.
At the HS level and in many college programs there is usually ONE great pitcher on the staff, perhaps two on a college staff---thus I will take my chance with hitting over pitching.
Playing a the schedule we due with our travel team we strive to balance the two aspects as well as we can.
Trhit, I already told you, I only work with those who come to me......I don't give out resumes, nor do I solicit.....You do that, not me..........
Case closed !!!
TR-Generally I agree with your assessment of HS and College team makeup. However, respectfully I don't believe that's the question. I think what one poster was asking was "does good hitting beat good pitching or vice versa?"
Naturally on a team I would want all of my starters to be "great hitters" and all of my pitchers to be "great" as well. Think of it this way, if you, as a manager had to make this choice what would you do? Sandy Koufax pitching FOR you in the seventh game of the WS, against a team with Barry Bonds, or you take the team with Barry Bonds and face Sandy Koufax? (It doesn't matter who the other players are in this scenerio-both teams are in the WS).
Bottom line is--If the best faced the best, who would dominate?
Naturally on a team I would want all of my starters to be "great hitters" and all of my pitchers to be "great" as well. Think of it this way, if you, as a manager had to make this choice what would you do? Sandy Koufax pitching FOR you in the seventh game of the WS, against a team with Barry Bonds, or you take the team with Barry Bonds and face Sandy Koufax? (It doesn't matter who the other players are in this scenerio-both teams are in the WS).
Bottom line is--If the best faced the best, who would dominate?
First of all I look at baseball as a TEAM GAME--one on one best vs best scenario doesnt win games and impact team make up
But to answer you about a one on one , head to head between pitcher and hitter, best faced the best--I think in the long run it would end up 50-50- and hopefully when it is my hitter up or my pitcher on the mound the 50/50 adds up to 100% of the time
But to answer you about a one on one , head to head between pitcher and hitter, best faced the best--I think in the long run it would end up 50-50- and hopefully when it is my hitter up or my pitcher on the mound the 50/50 adds up to 100% of the time
TR-We can agree to disagree on this but I honestly don't think Barry Bonds would bat .500 against
Sandy Koufax.
Sandy Koufax.
moc
Now that is an interersting one on one matchup--I would pay big bucks to see it
Now that is an interersting one on one matchup--I would pay big bucks to see it
"........I honestly don't think Barry Bonds would bat .500 against
Sandy Koufax."
Moc, you're absolutely correct.......Because, Koufax would walk him just like all the other pitchers do......
Sandy Koufax."
Moc, you're absolutely correct.......Because, Koufax would walk him just like all the other pitchers do......
BLUEDOG
Did you ever seen Koufax pitch ???
He backed down from no batter regardless of who the batter was
Also how many .400 hitters have there been in history against ALL the pitchers in the league-- and you expect one top batter to hit .500 against one top pitcher
Did you ever seen Koufax pitch ???
He backed down from no batter regardless of who the batter was
Also how many .400 hitters have there been in history against ALL the pitchers in the league-- and you expect one top batter to hit .500 against one top pitcher
Koufax never pitched to a hitter like Bonds........Because there has never been a hitter like him......
Koufax pitching, game's on the line.......Bonds comes to bat.....Koufax walks him......Just like all the hotshot pitchers do, now.....No difference......If Koufax does pitch to him, Bonds wins the game, just like he does, now.......No difference........
Koufax pitching, game's on the line.......Bonds comes to bat.....Koufax walks him......Just like all the hotshot pitchers do, now.....No difference......If Koufax does pitch to him, Bonds wins the game, just like he does, now.......No difference........
There would be a difference if Bonds played in the 60's against Koufax. He would just be wearing a little skull cap and he would not have any armor on his right arm. He would still be a great hitter, but he would have to do it dusting himself off about 2-3 times a game. If Drysdale was pitching, and was ordered to walk Bonds, he might just drill him instead. The umpires let the pitchers do what they wanted in the 60's and the great hitters got thrown at. Frank Robinson was hit between 10-20 times a year for about 10-12 years. Bonds has been drilled 10 times in only one season and is given a strike zone about the size of a volleyball. Koufax pitched to Mays who was every bit as good as Bonds. Bonds has always been a real good hitter, but he has only been great for the last 4-5 years, and that is why his batting average just reached .300.
BLUEDOG
for once answer a question?
Did you ever see Sandy Koufax pitch ???
And I mean live and in person not on film
for once answer a question?
Did you ever see Sandy Koufax pitch ???
And I mean live and in person not on film
"There would be a difference if Bonds played in the 60's against Koufax."
Scout, indeed, it would make a difference.........
Scout, indeed, it would make a difference.........
TRhit, according to you, I've never even seen a baseball game........Except, maybe on T.V......
The mound in the 60's was higher and steroids was not a word spoken to often in the baseball world.
Think about it.
CV
Think about it.
CV
My team vs your team to prove the point.
My team The best starting pitchers in MLB. The best bull pen in MLB. The best closer in MLB.
My team avg MLB hitters.
My team avg MLB defense.
Your team average MLB starting pitching. Average MLB bullpen. Average MLB closer.
Your team the best hitters in MLB baseball.
Your team avg MLB defense.
Now we play 162 games. Who has the best record at the end of the year. If we account for injuries lets say for the sake of argument that they are replaced by someone just as good. Which team would you take and why?
My team The best starting pitchers in MLB. The best bull pen in MLB. The best closer in MLB.
My team avg MLB hitters.
My team avg MLB defense.
Your team average MLB starting pitching. Average MLB bullpen. Average MLB closer.
Your team the best hitters in MLB baseball.
Your team avg MLB defense.
Now we play 162 games. Who has the best record at the end of the year. If we account for injuries lets say for the sake of argument that they are replaced by someone just as good. Which team would you take and why?
Coach May, does great pitching beat great hitting?.....
If you inject average anything into this equation, you have made it null and void......
If you inject average anything into this equation, you have made it null and void......
BLUE DOG
Answer the question I asked instead of answering with a question !!!
You may well be a Freddie Adu fan for all I know
Don't be so all out condescending ---
You now that I think about it Blue Dog has never answered a question--he just twists all the words around to fit his mood of "I know it all"
Again I ask
Blue Dog--have you ever seen Koufax pitch ???
Answer the question I asked instead of answering with a question !!!
You may well be a Freddie Adu fan for all I know
Don't be so all out condescending ---
You now that I think about it Blue Dog has never answered a question--he just twists all the words around to fit his mood of "I know it all"
Again I ask
Blue Dog--have you ever seen Koufax pitch ???
Can anybody answer this question...Has this thread lost its relevance now that it has become a "wee-wee" contest? 
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Trhit, I already told you, I only work with those who come to me......I don't give out resumes, nor do I solicit.....You do that, not me..........
BlueDog,
Judging from some of your posts, you are in and around the Houston area. I have a friend who has a soph in HS on the north side of Houston. If you are within 160 miles of Houston, send me a private message, and we'll get together and you can share some of your knowledge with us. And help a kid out while you're at it. I am not asking for a resume, or for you to solicit. I am asking for help. Will you meet us?