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Had a discussion a while back on another board with an umpire I considered to be fairly knowledgeable, but we disagreed on this.

Ball hit to deep center field. As the ball goes over the fence the center fielder leaps, reaches over the fence, the ball hits his glove, and bounces back onto the field.

We all know that a defensive player can reach into DBT to make a catch, but if he doesn't make the catch, can the ball be deflected back onto the field and remain in play?

I believe that once a ball goes into DBT and, unless it is legally caught, could not reenter the field and be playable. I would call time and awarded the home run.

What are your thoughts?
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I believe a rule of thumb would be that the ball has to go over the fence and hit something out there - ground, pole, whatever.

In other words, the THINGS out of bounds (including the ground) make it out of bound, not just the air/space above it.

Dash, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the fielder leaps up at the outfield fence, makes the catch (BU judges he had control), and then falls over the HR fence, it's still an out right?
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Originally posted by Alex7:
I believe a rule of thumb would be that the ball has to go over the fence and hit something out there - ground, pole, whatever.

In other words, the THINGS out of bounds (including the ground) make it out of bound, not just the air/space above it.

Dash, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the fielder leaps up at the outfield fence, makes the catch (BU judges he had control), and then falls over the HR fence, it's still an out right?


I believe a fielder being in or out of play is determined by where his feet left the ground, so as long as he was in play before he jumped, I think you've got an out.
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Originally posted by Alex7:
I believe a rule of thumb would be that the ball has to go over the fence and hit something out there - ground, pole, whatever.

In other words, the THINGS out of bounds (including the ground) make it out of bound, not just the air/space above it.

Dash, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the fielder leaps up at the outfield fence, makes the catch (BU judges he had control), and then falls over the HR fence, it's still an out right?

Yes. Batter is out, ball is dead, runners (if any) move up one.
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Originally posted by mrumpiresir:
I wanted to know if the fielder can contact the batted ball beyond the fence and deflect it back to the playing field where it then hits the ground. Is this a live ball or once the ball was not caught, should it be ruled a home run?


You were not ignored. Your question was answered in the first reply.
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Originally posted by mrumpiresir:
I know Dash to be a knowledgeable contributor to this board, but he was the only one to directly address my question. I was hoping to hear other inputs.

Thanks for your responses, I would have ruled incorrectly on this.


I know you probably already know this from other umpire sites, when an knowledgeable umpire with the reputation of DASH, JIMMY, and certainly MST respond with the correct answer, most umpires will not add on responses such as "me too" or agree 100%.....its just considered bad form.....

I read this site every day. Yet I do not answer or post on every thread...that way we are sure to get everyones opinion...

I will offer that we usually go into more detail for parents , coaches and players, but I believe that since you are an umpire as well, the correct answer in the first response was assumed sufficient to cover the situation.....

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