What are some things that parents should be looking for with these new changes in NCAA rules? Now that there are no roster limitations, 25% is no longer the minimum and the counter is changed to 32 from 27? What does a freshman need to on the lookout for?
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Someone more knowledgeable will weigh in but they may need to look out for the fact that their NLI isn't worth the paper it's printed on if the NCAA is going to allow schools to renegotiate each players deal on the fly.
-Renegotiate athletics aid agreements to provide less than 25 percent scholarship
@Confused2023 posted:What are some things that parents should be looking for with these new changes in NCAA rules? Now that there are no roster limitations, 25% is no longer the minimum and the counter is changed to 32 from 27? What does a freshman need to on the lookout for?
Changes only for 20-21 season. According to my understanding.
It is not good for anybody but the coach and incoming transfers.
What it means is a coach can tell a player on a 60% scholarship that he is not going to get any playing time and it would be wise for him to find another place for a year. The player can then "voluntarily" leave. He can then go in the transfer portal and get 6 grad transfers at 10% each (something he could not do before) and be more competitive for a year.
The NLI has meaning, it is legally binding. Coaches just use the player's desire to get playing time to their advantage and warn of no playing time to "persuade" them to transfer. You could elect to stay but it would get ugly.
If I'm an incoming freshman, especially at a P5, there is a 0% chance I'm renegotiating my scholarship. If it ever came to that point you can easily counter with - this is the only way I can afford school, the amount is a big reason I chose _______. No playing time is a different story, but if they ask to voluntarily take 14.5% instead of 25% there really isn't a reason to do that. P5 scholarships are 4 year guarantees as well.
Basically what it means is there are going to be massive rosters with the deepest pitching staffs you'll ever see. Players will get less playing time/innings/etc but 2021 will probably be the most talent heavy season ever with the deepest draft ever.
This also allows for more redshirts. A lot of the 2020 kids coming into this logjam can now sit out the year and still use the facilities and develop. I wonder if you will see some teams start loading up on walkons with that intention. If you take 10 guys and two develop, it is probably worth it.
I think d-mac has it... as if playing time for true freshmen (2020 HS grads) weren't already going to be tough to find, the unlimited roster limit for the spring will allow teams to load up on transfers and keep whatever juniors and seniors they want. So maybe it leads to more freshmen redshirting.
I think, for pitchers, this will lead to larger bullpens across the board and fewer innings for most. I also think this is probably tougher on younger position players than pitchers though.
As for loading up on walk-ons, maybe this will happen more at the schools that can afford the additional expenses. I doubt the majority of the 299 D1's fit this description.
@Confused2023 posted:What are some things that parents should be looking for with these new changes in NCAA rules? Now that there are no roster limitations, 25% is no longer the minimum and the counter is changed to 32 from 27? What does a freshman need to on the lookout for?
One of the first things I would look at (if your son is a D1 recruit) is how many undergrads from that school are in the transfer portal wanting to leave. If it’s a big number it would signal that a lot of kids aren’t happy there - for whatever reason.
@adbono posted:One of the first things I would look at (if your son is a D1 recruit) is how many undergrads from that school are in the transfer portal wanting to leave. If it’s a big number it would signal that a lot of kids aren’t happy there - for whatever reason.
I agree, and would add: do the math.
A school with 15+/- 2020 commits, half a dozen players transferring out through the portal and 4 graduates transfers coming in... I would consider my options somewhere else.
Would a college coach bring in a bunch of transfers to be competitive for a year? Seems like a big risk for just one year. I could see a couple if the coach felt those players are the missing piece to a CWS berth or something similar. I’ve heard some crazy scholarship stories, so nothing would really surprise me.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Would a college coach bring in a bunch of transfers to be competitive for a year? Seems like a big risk for just one year. I could see a couple if the coach felt those players are the missing piece to a CWS berth or something similar. I’ve heard some crazy scholarship stories, so nothing would really surprise me.
some coaches would bring a bunch of transfers to get better for a week...they are no different then any other manager. Some of them get greedy and make stupid moves, others always see the talent in front of them as better then what they currently have. Then they toss aside their mistakes and say you didn't listen close enough to what I was saying as you are forced to transfer somewhere else.
They then get on a group text with other coaches and congratulate each other on being smart and how tough their jobs are.
@TheRightScuff posted:I think d-mac has it... as if playing time for true freshmen (2020 HS grads) weren't already going to be tough to find, the unlimited roster limit for the spring will allow teams to load up on transfers and keep whatever juniors and seniors they want. So maybe it leads to more freshmen redshirting.
I think, for pitchers, this will lead to larger bullpens across the board and fewer innings for most. I also think this is probably tougher on younger position players than pitchers though.
As for loading up on walk-ons, maybe this will happen more at the schools that can afford the additional expenses. I doubt the majority of the 299 D1's fit this description.
I agree, it would only happen at the top schools. States that have lottery scholarships could use this to their advantage.
I don't get the mentality that it is better to develop a kid rather than take a finished kid. The average coaching stay is about 3 years so you better get it while you can. I would take a finished ready to play kid anytime over a kid I have to develop in today's world. You can develop the kid and redshirt him while the finished kid is performing. Not good for younger guys but that is life. We are not talking the studs but the average college player. The studs will still play.
@PitchingFan posted:I don't get the mentality that it is better to develop a kid rather than take a finished kid. The average coaching stay is about 3 years so you better get it while you can. I would take a finished ready to play kid anytime over a kid I have to develop in today's world. You can develop the kid and redshirt him while the finished kid is performing. Not good for younger guys but that is life. We are not talking the studs but the average college player. The studs will still play.
Agree 100%. Most all coaches will go with the proven performer. Besides that, there is very little development going on most places. If you are someplace that does more than talk about player development you are very fortunate. More often it’s next man up - and recent developments will only give coaches more next up options.
@PitchingFan posted:I don't get the mentality that it is better to develop a kid rather than take a finished kid. The average coaching stay is about 3 years so you better get it while you can. I would take a finished ready to play kid anytime over a kid I have to develop in today's world. You can develop the kid and redshirt him while the finished kid is performing. Not good for younger guys but that is life. We are not talking the studs but the average college player. The studs will still play.
Hubris, it infects us all.
@adbono posted:Agree 100%. Most all coaches will go with the proven performer. Besides that, there is very little development going on most places. If you are someplace that does more than talk about player development you are very fortunate. More often it’s next man up - and recent developments will only give coaches more next up options.
This is true. Looking at our program and talking with those in other programs the consensus is pretty much there is enough talent here for you to either figure it out or find a new place to play. The instruction has more to do with minor tweaks involving established guys than it has to do with the younger guys getting a life changing demo on handling offspeed pitches.
The truth is that there are 40+ guys that show up in the fall. They don't need to teach you how to hit or change your arm slot. There are plenty of others and even more coming in the following year.
For anybody complaining about the grad transfers coming in the answer will always be - if you guys were good enough we wouldn't have to bring transfers in.
