Lefty pitcher 2011 trying to make school team throw 69-73 want to make a signifigant increase for spring season. The winter is approaching, any methods or programs that can help and what is a signifigant Mph that can be increased
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Work on technique. Find an instructor that can quickly boost your velocity.
O'sfan2032,
As danramosd said there are different ways to gain velocity, but there is not a quick and easy to do so.
Pitching is a side ways body movement to front foot touch down with a stride length of at least matching one's body height with no body rotation until front foot touch down or just the split second before, all movements starting from the ground up.#1. At or the split second before front foot touch down the rear foot, leg and hip Flexor's should be stretched out fully which is called triple extension,#2. now comes the next very important body movement, "HIP ROTATION,"[only,] at this point the shoulders are still closed, this position is called "HIP,SHOULDER SEPARATION,"#3. now comes the next very important body movement, shoulder rotation immediately almost at the same time after hips rotate rotate the shoulders which now completes the body rotational movements up to front foot touch down, at front foot touch down the arm w/ball in hand should be in the reverse "L" no higher than the shoulder position passing by the ear with ball in hand laying back led by the elbow with the shoulder creating momentum behind the elbow, arm and ball in hand. on to the release point and then on down into a nice flat back fielding position with the arm coming to rest to the outside of the glove side knee, by letting the hand do so allows the arm and all other body parts negatively effected by the throwing movement to momentarily relax which alleviates the enormous tension, strain and abuse created by the throwing movement, by throwing with the aforementioned body movements the whole body does the work from the ground up instead of just the arm which tremendously curtails unnecessary chronic sore arms injuries and surgeries.
Go to www. Top Velocity.net and you will get full explanations and excellent video clips of my comments here.
Don Ervin
kom_ervin@yahoo.com
As danramosd said there are different ways to gain velocity, but there is not a quick and easy to do so.
Pitching is a side ways body movement to front foot touch down with a stride length of at least matching one's body height with no body rotation until front foot touch down or just the split second before, all movements starting from the ground up.#1. At or the split second before front foot touch down the rear foot, leg and hip Flexor's should be stretched out fully which is called triple extension,#2. now comes the next very important body movement, "HIP ROTATION,"[only,] at this point the shoulders are still closed, this position is called "HIP,SHOULDER SEPARATION,"#3. now comes the next very important body movement, shoulder rotation immediately almost at the same time after hips rotate rotate the shoulders which now completes the body rotational movements up to front foot touch down, at front foot touch down the arm w/ball in hand should be in the reverse "L" no higher than the shoulder position passing by the ear with ball in hand laying back led by the elbow with the shoulder creating momentum behind the elbow, arm and ball in hand. on to the release point and then on down into a nice flat back fielding position with the arm coming to rest to the outside of the glove side knee, by letting the hand do so allows the arm and all other body parts negatively effected by the throwing movement to momentarily relax which alleviates the enormous tension, strain and abuse created by the throwing movement, by throwing with the aforementioned body movements the whole body does the work from the ground up instead of just the arm which tremendously curtails unnecessary chronic sore arms injuries and surgeries.
Go to www. Top Velocity.net and you will get full explanations and excellent video clips of my comments here.
Don Ervin
kom_ervin@yahoo.com
I think the person who has had the most success with improving velocity is Ron Wolforth. You might want to Google him. He does camps, DVDs, etc.
I'll second Wolforth. We have been very pleased with both the velocity increases, plus the arm care provided. But it is a hard program, and weak-minded players won't want to do it. Especially in the cold weather we have in the winter, it can be a huge help.
If he is at 69-73 as a senior, he'll need a lot of improvement (most likely). Also, really concentrate on core strength. It seems to be sorely lacking in "soft-tossers".
If he is at 69-73 as a senior, he'll need a lot of improvement (most likely). Also, really concentrate on core strength. It seems to be sorely lacking in "soft-tossers".
We use Wolforth system and Jaegar long toss with just a small group of pitchers..You have to measure every day and you will see improvement slowly but surely.
quote:Originally posted by Roy Hobbs:
We use Wolforth system and Jaegar long toss with just a small group of pitchers..You have to measure every day and you will see improvement slowly but surely.
Can you tell us the average velocity increase in the system group vs. the kids that don't use a system?
I hear the typical annual speed increase for HS pitchers is 2-3 mph. Do Jaegar/Wolforth pitchers have greater increases?
Trying to gain a significant amount of velocity by spring is not easy to achieve, however, getting into the best baseball shape, work with a trainer/sports conditioning coach and if someone can video you, work with your pitching coach to point out something perhaps in your delivery you can do to help increase leg extension/drive and arm speed. Wrists and forearms are very important to strengthen as well and playing catch at distances can help aid some velocity increase, but not always.quote:Originally posted by O'sfan2032:
Lefty pitcher 2011 trying to make school team throw 69-73 want to make a signifigant increase for spring season. The winter is approaching, any methods or programs that can help and what is a signifigant Mph that can be increased
Good luck to you and let us know how your tryout with your team goes.
quote:Originally posted by SultanofSwat:quote:Originally posted by Roy Hobbs:
We use Wolforth system and Jaegar long toss with just a small group of pitchers..You have to measure every day and you will see improvement slowly but surely.
Can you tell us the average velocity increase in the system group vs. the kids that don't use a system?
I hear the typical annual speed increase for HS pitchers is 2-3 mph. Do Jaegar/Wolforth pitchers have greater increases?
The problem with trying to get accurate data on these programs SOS, are that you have to get a large sample, have a very controlled group for both used and not, and frankly it is not very practical to do this. There is no reason for the medical community to undertake an effort like this so it likely won’t happen.
My son has long tossed using Jaeger’s system and bands (more or less) and it is more about having a arm/body that is conditioned for pitching IMO. I don’t really know if it helped him increase his velocity that much, I think it did, but don’t really know for sure. The bands are about injury prevention than increased velocity. Logically it makes sense, where it would seem that learning to throw the ball hard with Jaeger system and getting immediate feed back, and with Wolforth (as far as I know anyway) it is about specific strength and conditioning that he has found to help increase velocity. We have done the S&C on our own based on other sources of information and again I am sure it helped but have no concrete proof.
Frankly the single biggest jump he had was due to cleaning up his pitching mechanics. In this case I knew exactly what he was throwing before and after.
There is a document over on Steve Ellis’s site on weighted baseballs that documents the increase of a group of pitchers who increased velocity around 4 MPH over a 12 week period. This is the most systematic controlled test group that I have seen.
I guess you could try the contorted football throw that Yardbird posted, but that doesn’t seem to pass the smell test.
So in the end you need to figure out what you think is best for your son. In our case it was based on Jaeger and ASMI.
Oh’sfan2032,
There are some mechanical tricks that you can try to improve your velocity but once you learn them then only continued “sport specific “ overload resistance training will bulletproof you by increasing your muscle mass in order to withstand the stresses of underload ballistic (preferably mound work or long toss) training and then competition.
Some velocity adding tips:
1. Put both your index and middle fingers together and make two fingers into one!!!
Doing this puts you into a more powerful ergonomic position by allowing you to transect to ball down the middle with both fingers powering the center of the balls mass and giving you better force doubling advantage.
2. When you arrive at the top of your pendulum swing straight back make sure you supinate (thumb up) your ball forearm so that the ball wrist gets dorsi-flexed (knuckles towards the back of the forearm) so that your wrist is contractively set at full length.
Now when you drive the ball forwards you are also driving your wrist in plantar flexion (palm towards inside of forearm) adding this engine fully to the power train.
3. When your arm is straight back supinated then get your elbow up as early as you can get it with your forearm horizontal and trailing your Humerus so that you gain length in your initial forwards force then all the way thru to release.
4. Land your glove foot to the glove arm side of the field driveline (the line that runs between second base and home plate thru the pitchers plate) so that you attain lengthier hip rotation while you are actually forwardly driving the ball.
5. Stay tall and do not pull your arm down and across your chest, try to let you hip rotation beat your shoulders even though this will not occur it will allow you to reach your arm towards the target with the addition of your shoulder length by drive rotation. This mechanic is enhanced when you take a shorter stride allowing you to rotate your hips then shoulders faster and lengthier by allowing a two step drive rather than a one step negated drive.
BOF
Quit guessing BOF, rest assured, the tenets of sports physiology dictate that it helped him! No guessing or wondering necessary, any of these regimens help, the only question that remains is which one is best and for what exacting physiological reasons and goals.
The bands are great for beginning rehab after having been injured where resistance can be minimal but have little effect in gaining muscle mass or specificity that is actually needed after the initial 2 weeks of use.
You would have needed to understand that that drill is a motor skill acquisition drill intended to increase ball rotational velocity and pitch type release orientation feel, not directional velocity that is being asked for in this thread and the only things that smell around here are your relentless snotty/sophomoric comments that you keep getting away with that help no one.
We actually pitch off the mound for the ballistic portion of our interval training program after each daily overload resistance routine. This is the actual best way to gain velocity!
So then, go to DrMikeMarshall.com to learn how and most importantly why athletes perform the way they do by the leading overhead throwing expert on earth who actually has credentials to say what he says about sports physiology and then can back it up with actual proven science.
There are some mechanical tricks that you can try to improve your velocity but once you learn them then only continued “sport specific “ overload resistance training will bulletproof you by increasing your muscle mass in order to withstand the stresses of underload ballistic (preferably mound work or long toss) training and then competition.
Some velocity adding tips:
1. Put both your index and middle fingers together and make two fingers into one!!!
Doing this puts you into a more powerful ergonomic position by allowing you to transect to ball down the middle with both fingers powering the center of the balls mass and giving you better force doubling advantage.
2. When you arrive at the top of your pendulum swing straight back make sure you supinate (thumb up) your ball forearm so that the ball wrist gets dorsi-flexed (knuckles towards the back of the forearm) so that your wrist is contractively set at full length.
Now when you drive the ball forwards you are also driving your wrist in plantar flexion (palm towards inside of forearm) adding this engine fully to the power train.
3. When your arm is straight back supinated then get your elbow up as early as you can get it with your forearm horizontal and trailing your Humerus so that you gain length in your initial forwards force then all the way thru to release.
4. Land your glove foot to the glove arm side of the field driveline (the line that runs between second base and home plate thru the pitchers plate) so that you attain lengthier hip rotation while you are actually forwardly driving the ball.
5. Stay tall and do not pull your arm down and across your chest, try to let you hip rotation beat your shoulders even though this will not occur it will allow you to reach your arm towards the target with the addition of your shoulder length by drive rotation. This mechanic is enhanced when you take a shorter stride allowing you to rotate your hips then shoulders faster and lengthier by allowing a two step drive rather than a one step negated drive.
BOF
quote:“I don’t really know if it helped him increase his velocity that much, I think it did, but don’t really know for sure.” “I am sure it helped but have no concrete proof.”.
Quit guessing BOF, rest assured, the tenets of sports physiology dictate that it helped him! No guessing or wondering necessary, any of these regimens help, the only question that remains is which one is best and for what exacting physiological reasons and goals.
quote:“The bands are about injury prevention than increased velocity”
The bands are great for beginning rehab after having been injured where resistance can be minimal but have little effect in gaining muscle mass or specificity that is actually needed after the initial 2 weeks of use.
quote:“I guess you could try the contorted football throw that Yardbird posted, but that doesn’t seem to pass the smell test.”
You would have needed to understand that that drill is a motor skill acquisition drill intended to increase ball rotational velocity and pitch type release orientation feel, not directional velocity that is being asked for in this thread and the only things that smell around here are your relentless snotty/sophomoric comments that you keep getting away with that help no one.
We actually pitch off the mound for the ballistic portion of our interval training program after each daily overload resistance routine. This is the actual best way to gain velocity!
quote:”So in the end you need to figure out what you think is best for your son.”
So then, go to DrMikeMarshall.com to learn how and most importantly why athletes perform the way they do by the leading overhead throwing expert on earth who actually has credentials to say what he says about sports physiology and then can back it up with actual proven science.
quote:Originally posted by Yardbird:
So then, go to DrMikeMarshall.com to learn how and most importantly why athletes perform the way they do by the leading overhead throwing expert on earth who actually has credentials to say what he says about sports physiology and then can back it up with actual proven science.
OK Yard how many kids have improved velocity under Dr. Marshall? What were their start velocities and ending velocities? How many of his students are throwing 95+, 90+? How many of his students are playing in the MLB? Be specific please.
That is fantastic that you want to increase velocity. The first thing you need to look at is your ability to throw the ball with proper mechanics. Are you utilizing your legs and hips the correct way to ensure maximum velocity? Hip rotation and power Here is what I mean.
Also, velocity is one thing, but the key elements to getting any hitter out are change of speed, location and movement. What other pitches can you throw for strikes. Good luck to to you this upcoming season. Different Off-Speed Pitches
Also, velocity is one thing, but the key elements to getting any hitter out are change of speed, location and movement. What other pitches can you throw for strikes. Good luck to to you this upcoming season. Different Off-Speed Pitches
