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Originally posted by mattm:
Runner on 1st and Runner on 3rd. Both take off at the same time. Pitcher steps off and throws to the second baseman. The runner leaving first stops. the second baseman throws to the catcher to try and get the runner from third. The runner is safe at the plate and the runner from first is safe at second. Do they both get credit for a Stolen base, One of them, or neithier of them.
Shame on you Matt! What rules?
Take a look at the following 3 rules. I can tell you that I’ve been in discussions on both sides of this thing, and a lot depends on exactly what the SK sees.
Ordinarily, when R2 makes a move toward 2nd and he gets there, he’s gonna get a SB. But in this situation, something else is goin’ on. Let’s say R2 breaks for 2nd, and the P throws to F4, but there’s a play on and F4 is way in on the grass to where he didn’t have a chance to get R2 on his own. Now when the throw goes in to the plate, there are SK’s who say that throw is a FC because he could elect to make a play on R2, but chose not to.
Personally, I’ve never worried about it all that much. I’ll credit a double steal, and I’ve never been questioned.
But didja notice how NFHS kinda contradicts itself? In the definitions of a stolen base it says nothing about a FC, but in the scorer’s section it does. its only a minor detail, but it is a detail all the same.
And didja notice how OBR goes a lot farther in explaining things than either NFHS or NCAA?
OBR 2006 - STOLEN BASES
10.08 A stolen base shall be credited to a runner whenever he advances one base unaided by a hit, a putout, an error, a force-out, a fielder’s choice, a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk, subject to the following: … (c) When a runner, attempting to steal, or after being picked off base, evades being put out in a run-down play and advances to the next base without the aid of an error, credit the runner with a stolen base. If another runner also advances on the play, credit both runners with stolen bases. If a runner advances while another runner, attempting to steal, evades being put out in a run-down play and returns safely, without the aid of an error, to the base he originally occupied, credit a stolen base to the runner who advances.
NCAA 2007 - Stolen Base
SECTION 11. a. A stolen base shall be credited to the base runner whenever he advances a base unaided (such as by a base hit, fielder’s choice, putout, error, balk, base on balls, wild pitch or passed ball).
NFHS 2006 – 2-34-1 … A stolen base is an advance of a runner to the next base without aid of a base hit, a putout or a fielding (including battery) error. (9-4)
9-4-1 … A stolen base shall be credited in the summary to a runner each time he advances a base without aid of a base hit, a putout, a fielding (including battery) error or a fielder’s choice.
