can any one tell me how the different levels work , 1st round and up, is it a money thing or ranking ?
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g man,
If scouts have come to you, why have you not asked them how it works?
What exactly do you need to know?
If scouts have come to you, why have you not asked them how it works?
What exactly do you need to know?
The high school players are in the draft along with the college and JuCo players. Typically there is slotting in terms of signing money. The 5th pick makes more than the 6th pick who makes more than the 7th pick, etc..
However, some players slide down in the draft due to signability or who they selected as an agent. A high school player has leverage since he can pass on the draft and head off to college ball. A friend of my son was drafted in the third round instead of the first and signed for first round money. He was a draft risk since he stated he was going to college if he didn't get X dollars.
A hsbaseballweb regular's son was headed to a top D1 program out of high school. He was drafted in the 20th round. The team convinced him to sign for late first round money. Normally a 20th round pick would get the minimum signing bonus.
Sometimes players represented by certain agents slide in the draft since some GM's prefer not to deal with him. These players still tend to get money based on where they should have been drafted.
Some players slide up in the draft for signability reasons. The older brother of a teammate of my son was drafted higher than normal based on a prearranged conversation on signability. He took less than a person typically taken in that slot in the first round given he would sign within days after the draft and report to short season by opening day. It was by a team not known for spending a lot of money at that time.
However, some players slide down in the draft due to signability or who they selected as an agent. A high school player has leverage since he can pass on the draft and head off to college ball. A friend of my son was drafted in the third round instead of the first and signed for first round money. He was a draft risk since he stated he was going to college if he didn't get X dollars.
A hsbaseballweb regular's son was headed to a top D1 program out of high school. He was drafted in the 20th round. The team convinced him to sign for late first round money. Normally a 20th round pick would get the minimum signing bonus.
Sometimes players represented by certain agents slide in the draft since some GM's prefer not to deal with him. These players still tend to get money based on where they should have been drafted.
Some players slide up in the draft for signability reasons. The older brother of a teammate of my son was drafted higher than normal based on a prearranged conversation on signability. He took less than a person typically taken in that slot in the first round given he would sign within days after the draft and report to short season by opening day. It was by a team not known for spending a lot of money at that time.
Thank you for the Info RJM , THERE ARE A LOT OF VERIABLES TO FIGURE
All your questions could be asked to the scouts that are contacting you or if there are a few scouts then it does sound like you need an advisor. But be careful the advisor does not violate any NCAA rules to keep your son eligable for college ball. You should also find out what could an agent do to violate the NCAA rules for an agent? advisor?
He doesn't need an advisor because a few scouts gave him some questionaires.
What he does need help with is finding the right college fit, as he has stated that there is no college commitment as yet. Why? If scouts are knocking on his door so should college coaches?
No commitment, then most likely a very low signing bonus.
What he does need help with is finding the right college fit, as he has stated that there is no college commitment as yet. Why? If scouts are knocking on his door so should college coaches?
No commitment, then most likely a very low signing bonus.
Thanks for all the in put, this is why i am posting these questions and getting many different opinions, all the different infomation is helpful.
He had an offer in writing from a D1 school but he was only 16, (full scholarship) but i think they are going to pass at this point or see what happens in his senoir year, also have two or three JC offers , that are much closer to home and i think will be a great fit (and save some money)Like i said a couple of pro scouts have showen interst, and i also think they are waiting on the senior year
if he hits well, ive heard from differnt coaches that they will look to try and draft him. I feel a two years at a JC will be the best for now, just play and get better and work on the education.
He had an offer in writing from a D1 school but he was only 16, (full scholarship) but i think they are going to pass at this point or see what happens in his senoir year, also have two or three JC offers , that are much closer to home and i think will be a great fit (and save some money)Like i said a couple of pro scouts have showen interst, and i also think they are waiting on the senior year
if he hits well, ive heard from differnt coaches that they will look to try and draft him. I feel a two years at a JC will be the best for now, just play and get better and work on the education.
Hi g man:
I'm not really anywhere near the expertise of some of the other guys that are in this post. I think it's kind of frustrating for these guys 'cause you may be in a zone where you dont know what you dont know. No disrespect - that's what these forums are for.
For example, I think in your first post, all you were looking for was some basic information about this new opportunity that MAY have come along. I may have misinterpretted myself, thinking you were abandoning the college route when all you were doing was asking for some information about the possibility of pro interest.
Consider that we're from the frozen north of Canada - baseball outlanders if you will. At ten years old, my son was a tall but very overweight pitcher. He was good but, not unhittable. That year he had not one but two different MLB scouts as coaches on two different teams (one in the US and one in Canada). At eleven, he went to a camp with another one. At twelve, the son of a guy that played in the majors for a dozen years was on his Buffalo team. That fall he was on a Fall Ball team run by a former Cub. This summer, as a 14U he had one unearned run over three innings against a 16U travel team coached by a guy that has a World Series ring. Back in October, we were attended a nearby showcase where there was an MLB Regional Scout for the Bureau. Due to my son's age, we went to watch but, in some ways, he should have pitched. I'm sure a number of guys were asked to fill out questionaires but, I didnt see anyone there that remotely looked like they were getting drafted. If that were the case, then about a dozen guys my son is meeting in the gym this coming Saturday are getting drafted (better bring a pen). I am sure that many of the posters here, have had far more exposure to pros involved in their sons careers over the years. I dont think anyone from the best elite teams attended that showcase. I think my guy will be taking the hill next fall.
To answer your questions in the first three rounds, the numbers go from millions to somewhere around $100,000. It's been a while since I've looked at this stuff but, if I'm wrong, somebody correct me. It's fairly well known that you can barely live on what they pay a Minor Leaguer in-season and they only pay you IN-SEASON! How long do you think the $50K or $75K is going to last if you go three or four years in the minors? What's going to be left for college?
Lately, my son has been encouraged to attend a number of D1 camps. Mild interest for an HS Freshman? Yes. Tickles his feathers? Yes. Means anything? Yes... as long as he's HEALTHY, THROWS IN THE 90's and has THREE GREAT PITCHES WHEN HE'S 17 OR 18!
Talk to the scouts that have made contact. I'm sure you've heard some encouraging comments that you cant exactly put out here on a public forum.
I'm not really anywhere near the expertise of some of the other guys that are in this post. I think it's kind of frustrating for these guys 'cause you may be in a zone where you dont know what you dont know. No disrespect - that's what these forums are for.
For example, I think in your first post, all you were looking for was some basic information about this new opportunity that MAY have come along. I may have misinterpretted myself, thinking you were abandoning the college route when all you were doing was asking for some information about the possibility of pro interest.
Consider that we're from the frozen north of Canada - baseball outlanders if you will. At ten years old, my son was a tall but very overweight pitcher. He was good but, not unhittable. That year he had not one but two different MLB scouts as coaches on two different teams (one in the US and one in Canada). At eleven, he went to a camp with another one. At twelve, the son of a guy that played in the majors for a dozen years was on his Buffalo team. That fall he was on a Fall Ball team run by a former Cub. This summer, as a 14U he had one unearned run over three innings against a 16U travel team coached by a guy that has a World Series ring. Back in October, we were attended a nearby showcase where there was an MLB Regional Scout for the Bureau. Due to my son's age, we went to watch but, in some ways, he should have pitched. I'm sure a number of guys were asked to fill out questionaires but, I didnt see anyone there that remotely looked like they were getting drafted. If that were the case, then about a dozen guys my son is meeting in the gym this coming Saturday are getting drafted (better bring a pen). I am sure that many of the posters here, have had far more exposure to pros involved in their sons careers over the years. I dont think anyone from the best elite teams attended that showcase. I think my guy will be taking the hill next fall.
To answer your questions in the first three rounds, the numbers go from millions to somewhere around $100,000. It's been a while since I've looked at this stuff but, if I'm wrong, somebody correct me. It's fairly well known that you can barely live on what they pay a Minor Leaguer in-season and they only pay you IN-SEASON! How long do you think the $50K or $75K is going to last if you go three or four years in the minors? What's going to be left for college?
Lately, my son has been encouraged to attend a number of D1 camps. Mild interest for an HS Freshman? Yes. Tickles his feathers? Yes. Means anything? Yes... as long as he's HEALTHY, THROWS IN THE 90's and has THREE GREAT PITCHES WHEN HE'S 17 OR 18!
Talk to the scouts that have made contact. I'm sure you've heard some encouraging comments that you cant exactly put out here on a public forum.
Gman, so that newer readers here aren't inadvertently misled, it needs to be pointed out that full athletic scholarships for baseball are extraordinarily rare in 4-year programs. Perhaps your son was offered a combination of athletic and academic funds which, once combined, equaled the cost of a full year's expenses.
Another point worth noting is that most offers don't come in written form (although, some do); and offers to 16-year-olds are unusual.
If the DI college that made an offer in writing is now withholding its commitment, that also runs counter to the practice of most coaching staffs. If they've adopted a wait-and-see attitude, it's safe to assume that professional scouts might also take the same stance.
In any case, as has been suggested earlier, your son shouldn't hesitate to pose any and all questions he has about professional baseball and its draft process to any scout who approaches him.
Best of luck to him!
Another point worth noting is that most offers don't come in written form (although, some do); and offers to 16-year-olds are unusual.
If the DI college that made an offer in writing is now withholding its commitment, that also runs counter to the practice of most coaching staffs. If they've adopted a wait-and-see attitude, it's safe to assume that professional scouts might also take the same stance.
In any case, as has been suggested earlier, your son shouldn't hesitate to pose any and all questions he has about professional baseball and its draft process to any scout who approaches him.
Best of luck to him!
Good points made by Prepster.
Often it is very frustrating when others try to help, not really sure the correct information has been relayed and by whom. Also, the OP posts more like a kid than an adult. JMO.
In another post, OP stated would be 18 end of May, that means this player is a senior without a commitment as of this time.
I always believe that one should follow a plan in this whole process, before draft talk, make a commitment, even if to a JUCO. At this point, considering what you have posted, I would highly concentrate on the school process and getting better at the game. Doesn't matter what your physical stats are, and it doesn't matter what coaches say.
BTW, what really happened to that D1 commitment?
At this point there is too much to actually believe much of the info posted is correct.
Good luck.
Often it is very frustrating when others try to help, not really sure the correct information has been relayed and by whom. Also, the OP posts more like a kid than an adult. JMO.
In another post, OP stated would be 18 end of May, that means this player is a senior without a commitment as of this time.
I always believe that one should follow a plan in this whole process, before draft talk, make a commitment, even if to a JUCO. At this point, considering what you have posted, I would highly concentrate on the school process and getting better at the game. Doesn't matter what your physical stats are, and it doesn't matter what coaches say.
BTW, what really happened to that D1 commitment?
At this point there is too much to actually believe much of the info posted is correct.
Good luck.
Great advice. It should be noted that high school players are not allowed to have an agent. They are allowed to have an "advisor" and an agent can be an advisor but.... it gets confusing just don't take anything, verbally agree to anything or sign anything.
My best advice is to be honest with the scouts. Figure out BEFORE the offers start what it will take in DOLLARS. While rounds and dollars are tied together, I suggest you deal in dollars to avoid the "variables"..
My son was drafted in the 5th round out of HS with the promise of 3rd round money prior to the draft... After the draft the "negotiations" turned sour with "Scouts and scouting directors saying one thing and meaning something else. Thank goodness my son turned it all down and went to college.
Fungo
My best advice is to be honest with the scouts. Figure out BEFORE the offers start what it will take in DOLLARS. While rounds and dollars are tied together, I suggest you deal in dollars to avoid the "variables"..
My son was drafted in the 5th round out of HS with the promise of 3rd round money prior to the draft... After the draft the "negotiations" turned sour with "Scouts and scouting directors saying one thing and meaning something else. Thank goodness my son turned it all down and went to college.
Fungo
quote:Thank goodness my son turned it all down and went to college.
Amen, Brother Fungo!
Prepster, Good to hear from you. College baseball has been great for your son. Of course he has been great for college baseball too! Great story there.
Fungo
Fungo
Many thanks, Fungo! Happy New Year to you, Fungo, Jr. (One heck of a player, himself!), and the rest of the Fungo Family!
Every year there is a draft. Every year for every player entering professional baseball there is a player leaving professional baseball. The more they have invested in your son the more desire and need to see that he succeeds. The less invested in your son the less the need and desire to see that he succeeds. Think about that.
If and when your son does indeed enter this world of professional baseball the more prepared he is to succeed the better his chances to succeed. And the more prepared he is for life after the game ends the more likely he will succeed as well.
I think often of the 18 year old young man I know that turned down a scholley to go in the draft in the 15 round. Released 18 months later at 20 years old and lost. What happened? What do I do now? If your going to think about all the good that can come of something like this also consider all the bad that can come of it as well. That will help you clear things up in your head when you get confused.
I have never heard a young man that got a college degree and later left professional baseball lament the fact they had a degree and the college experience when it was all said and done. On the other hand the cases are numerous for the players that took the draft and later regretted sorely their missed opportunities.
If your son is going to get life altering money. Money that will allow him to have the time and ability to transistion back to the real world after his playing days are over. I can't deny that opportunity and never would. Otherwise choose wisely. There is no going back.
If and when your son does indeed enter this world of professional baseball the more prepared he is to succeed the better his chances to succeed. And the more prepared he is for life after the game ends the more likely he will succeed as well.
I think often of the 18 year old young man I know that turned down a scholley to go in the draft in the 15 round. Released 18 months later at 20 years old and lost. What happened? What do I do now? If your going to think about all the good that can come of something like this also consider all the bad that can come of it as well. That will help you clear things up in your head when you get confused.
I have never heard a young man that got a college degree and later left professional baseball lament the fact they had a degree and the college experience when it was all said and done. On the other hand the cases are numerous for the players that took the draft and later regretted sorely their missed opportunities.
If your son is going to get life altering money. Money that will allow him to have the time and ability to transistion back to the real world after his playing days are over. I can't deny that opportunity and never would. Otherwise choose wisely. There is no going back.
Coach May,
I am going to save this for future posts about the draft when they surface.
I am going to save this for future posts about the draft when they surface.
Thank you coach may , like i said earler there are a lot of diffferent ways this could go so the more i hear about all of them the better able my son and i will be to make imformed decisons .
Thank you .
Thank you .
Perfect, K.! (and Happy New Year!)
Another golden oldie from Coach May. We were in a similar situation as g man. Some contact but only a JC offer. Son took the offer and was never drafted. The bigger the school the more likely chance of being draft material, they go hand in hand. Even some of his summer HS teammates were invited to pre draft workout and they weren't drafted either. I would put the draft in the back of your mind and concentrate on your education. If you are good enough, you may get drafted out of JC.