For a pitcher how good is it to get a 8.0 ?
How do coaches and scouts use such ratings to determine how good a player is?
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Good enough to be encouraged to keep working hard.
Not good enough to drop any advanced placement courses.
Not good enough to drop any advanced placement courses.
Do yourself a huge favor....forget about ratings.
quote:Originally posted by eatersbaseball:
Do yourself a huge favor....forget about ratings.
What ratings will do is open doors and get interest at certain schools. Your son will still have to play in front of coaches and perform to end up on a college roster. Keep him working hard!
quote:Your son will still have to play in front of coaches and perform to end up on a college roster. Keep him working hard!
I agree with that wholeheartedly!!!
quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:
Good enough to be encouraged to keep working hard.
Not good enough to drop any advanced placement courses.
Can you please elaborate on this comment for us. The PG rating means a great deal to a lot of people and not just players and parents.
I think what Swampboy is saying (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's a good rating but doesn't guarantee anything. Regardless of the rating the kid needs to continue to work at his game and continue to work hard in classroom. It's very sound advice and ties in with what birdman14 said about still having to perform in front of college coaches.
quote:The PG rating means a great deal to a lot of people and not just players and parents.
The pg rating is of paramount importance to the players and parents.
Ahh once again the rating quagmire raises its ugly head!!
What about a player that's never been to a PG event? Is it important for recruitment to be rated by PG?
Coach2709 has it correct.
Treat it as validation that you're not being a fool to invest in the goal of playing college ball if your son is serious about it (assuming you're a parent).
Now tell him to put the rating aside, get back to work, and focus on the things he can control--his workouts, his diet, his practice habits, his academic performance, etc.
Don't let the rating cause him either to lower his sights or to think he's already got it made.
It's sort of like a sign on the highway that says "St. Louis 100 miles." It doesn't mean you're gonna get to St. Louis. It means the road you're on can take you to St. Louis if you keep going.
Best wishes.
Treat it as validation that you're not being a fool to invest in the goal of playing college ball if your son is serious about it (assuming you're a parent).
Now tell him to put the rating aside, get back to work, and focus on the things he can control--his workouts, his diet, his practice habits, his academic performance, etc.
Don't let the rating cause him either to lower his sights or to think he's already got it made.
It's sort of like a sign on the highway that says "St. Louis 100 miles." It doesn't mean you're gonna get to St. Louis. It means the road you're on can take you to St. Louis if you keep going.
Best wishes.
quote:Originally posted by ducobaseballmom:
What about a player that's never been to a PG event? Is it important for recruitment to be rated by PG?
My personal opinion based on limited experience is that the absence of a rating is not an impediment to college recruiting as long as a player: a) has the talent coaches are looking for, and b) plays for a travel program that is capable of getting college coaches to see them play.
My 2011 son's travel coach placed almost his entire roster in D1 programs. I think two of them have ratings and a third player is ranked even though he doesn't have a rating. Neither my son nor most of his teammates ever went to an individual showcase. What made the difference for them was a coach who knew what he was doing and was committed to finding suitable opportunities for all his players.
I would expect that a rating could be very helpful if you can't rely on your travel coach to market you or if you're trying to attract pro attention or in other situations. Perhaps people with other experiences will explain how ratings worked for them.
It's sort of like a sign on the highway that says "St. Louis 100 miles." It doesn't mean you're gonna get to St. Louis. It means the road you're on can take you to St. Louis if you keep going.
Great Analogy Swampboy....
PG showcases/tournaments etc., are great ways to get exposure. It is up to the player to use those opportunities to show what type of player they are and to perform to his best ability at these events.
Being on a top notch travel team with a top notch coach is also a great way to gain exposure.
The PG number will get you noticed, the grades in school will get you interest, and how you perform in front of the college coaches will get you in.
Great Analogy Swampboy....
PG showcases/tournaments etc., are great ways to get exposure. It is up to the player to use those opportunities to show what type of player they are and to perform to his best ability at these events.
Being on a top notch travel team with a top notch coach is also a great way to gain exposure.
The PG number will get you noticed, the grades in school will get you interest, and how you perform in front of the college coaches will get you in.
The important thing about the rating is that your son is on the PG radar, which translates to being on the radars of colleges across the country. I can tell you that my two sons' PG ratings alone would not have gotten either into the school of their choice without strong academics. Keep working on the game and working on the books. It's a winning combination.
quote:How do coaches and scouts use such ratings to determine how good a player is?
Coaches and scouts watch a player play to learn how good he is.
Now, a scout might go see an 8.0 before he'd go see a 6.5. He might go see a 9 or 10 before he goes to see an 8. But the key is what happens on the field. He might go to the field to see the 8-9-10, but it's the 7 that shines that day.
Agree with what has been said so far. The rating is a tool. Take it for what it is and get back to work! Some PG "Top Prospects" will even not touch a college field. Make good grades, stay away from bad influences, and get thee to the gym.
I know 8.0 is only a grade and no guarantee that someone can even play in college. I just want to know how good of a grade it is?
Do most pitchers end up with ratings in the 6s 7s 8s 9s?
If a 10 means you will be a high draft pick, does a 8 at least say the player is PROBABLY good enough to play D1 in college?
Does anyone know how you get ranked by perfect game and where to find out that information?
Do most pitchers end up with ratings in the 6s 7s 8s 9s?
If a 10 means you will be a high draft pick, does a 8 at least say the player is PROBABLY good enough to play D1 in college?
Does anyone know how you get ranked by perfect game and where to find out that information?
If you right click on the number, you can see that they define it pretty specifically. It means he could potentially do any of those things listed if he continues to work hard and improve, and if PG is right.
quote:Originally posted by bballforever:
I know 8.0 is only a grade and no guarantee that someone can even play in college. I just want to know how good of a grade it is?
Do most pitchers end up with ratings in the 6s 7s 8s 9s?
If a 10 means you will be a high draft pick, does a 8 at least say the player is PROBABLY good enough to play D1 in college?
Does anyone know how you get ranked by perfect game and where to find out that information?
Based on my experience and other's, a pitcher with an 8 grade generally has the tools notable on a limited observation, to play on a decent D1 team. My son was an 8.5 RHP and had a decent college career (mid-major). The grade guarentees nothing, obviously. I've seen more talented players absolutley stink up the place until they got cut, transfered or quit.
Play in a PG event or showcase and you get graded, I think. wwww.perfectgame.org
You can go to Perfectgame.org and check the commitments for colleges you're interested in. Then you can look up the profiles of those players and see their ratings. Even without a subscription, I think you can access last year's info on commitments.
Depending on the school, you might find players with no ratings and players with ratings at or below 8.0. However, you'll also find a lot of 2010 graduates with ratings above 8 ended up without college commitments.
Don't read too much into the specific number.
A rating is just an educated guess about potential based on one day's performance. The work your son does after earning the rating will matter a whole lot more than the rating itself.
If your son thinks his rating is too low, let it motivate him to work harder to prove that it's wrong.
If he likes the rating, tell him to work harder to prove that it's accurate.
Depending on the school, you might find players with no ratings and players with ratings at or below 8.0. However, you'll also find a lot of 2010 graduates with ratings above 8 ended up without college commitments.
Don't read too much into the specific number.
A rating is just an educated guess about potential based on one day's performance. The work your son does after earning the rating will matter a whole lot more than the rating itself.
If your son thinks his rating is too low, let it motivate him to work harder to prove that it's wrong.
If he likes the rating, tell him to work harder to prove that it's accurate.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swampboy:
Now tell him to put the rating aside, get back to work, and focus on the things he can control--his workouts, his diet, his practice habits, his academic performance, etc.
Don't let the rating cause him either to lower his sights or to think he's already got it made.
It's sort of like a sign on the highway that says "St. Louis 100 miles." It doesn't mean you're gonna get to St. Louis. It means the road you're on can take you to St. Louis if you keep going.
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We recently had a DI coach tell us parents that (a) you can't get too high or low about showcase ratings, and (b) for example there are some players who are showcase beasts and can run the 60 in 6.5 but couldn't steal a base to save their lives. He insisted that's why coaches make the effort to get to the summer college showcase tournaments - they want to see game play.
It's an important piece of the bigger puzzle. Bottom line, a coach can't tell if a pitcher is a head case from a showcase, but he can if he sees him in a tie game with bases loaded and one out.
Now tell him to put the rating aside, get back to work, and focus on the things he can control--his workouts, his diet, his practice habits, his academic performance, etc.
Don't let the rating cause him either to lower his sights or to think he's already got it made.
It's sort of like a sign on the highway that says "St. Louis 100 miles." It doesn't mean you're gonna get to St. Louis. It means the road you're on can take you to St. Louis if you keep going.
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We recently had a DI coach tell us parents that (a) you can't get too high or low about showcase ratings, and (b) for example there are some players who are showcase beasts and can run the 60 in 6.5 but couldn't steal a base to save their lives. He insisted that's why coaches make the effort to get to the summer college showcase tournaments - they want to see game play.
It's an important piece of the bigger puzzle. Bottom line, a coach can't tell if a pitcher is a head case from a showcase, but he can if he sees him in a tie game with bases loaded and one out.
Swampboy and Rockford Mom - I give your responses a 10!