Sounds like he is a late bloomer and the 2 additional years a JUCO could provide may be the time it takes for him to fill out.
quote:UCLA (no JC transfers)
Dean Espy is a JC transfer who went to a JC one year and is now at UCLA. He played a significant amount.
And he is a very good hitter, and a good strong young man.2Bmom,
You will be amazed at how much your son will develop in two years. JC sounds like a great fit for him.I know he is a gamer and likes to play the game as you have posted over the years.If he does well he will move on.
I looked quickly; if I am wrong, I appologize. One out of 35. Please amend my statement to virtually no JC transfers. I was making a point.
The further you go up academically the fewer JC transfers that you see.
The further you go up academically the fewer JC transfers that you see.
Conversely, the more competitive the baseball the more a program is willing to bring in JUCO transfers.
Floridafan; I don't disagree with you, but I do believe that academics will trump athletics at more schools than the converse.
quote:I looked quickly; if I am wrong, I appologize. One out of 35. Please amend my statement to virtually no JC transfers. I was making a point.
No apology necessary, just I watched him play a lot in season and during the college world series.
I understand the point being made.
quote:The further you go up academically the fewer JC transfers that you see.
A point I want to make, is many times it is because they dont qualify to get into the school.
1. They didnt take the right classes
2. They didnt have decent enough grades
3.They were not qualifiers, and didnt get their degrees in two years.
4.If they greyshirt at the JC, many of the private schools cant get them in, due to the classes.
I will just say this I know mnay players from Ca.JC that have gone on to play at 4 year schools.
Look coaches want to win, and they will get players to do it.Some coaches dont do it, that is their philosophy but many, many do.
AZ state
UCLA
USC
Virginia Tech
Oklahoma
Uof A
Saint Marys
U of san francisco
Pepperdine
Long beach
Irvine
Oregon State
Univ.of Oregon
Univ. of wash.
etc
They do look at and recruit JC players.
Based upon my son's experience their is no shortage of all level academic schools looking at JC players. Some "high level academic" schools don't have JC players, but that doesn't mean they didn't try when an opportunity to fill a hole in their lineup appeared at a JC.
I would add that there are many reasons players at junior colleges do not go on to play at 4 yr schools.
Very often, it is the player's choice not to continue playing. Sometimes, it is lack of grades or courses completed that prevent continuing on. I know in my son's program, some players go on to play...and some do not. For a very wide variety of reasons.
Very often, it is the player's choice not to continue playing. Sometimes, it is lack of grades or courses completed that prevent continuing on. I know in my son's program, some players go on to play...and some do not. For a very wide variety of reasons.
quote:Originally posted by floridafan
Every year a program that values a winning record will lose key players. Their recruits are not quite ready to step in and fill the team’s needs. Therefore teams will look to JUCO programs to find players that can make an immediate impact and fill a "hole". This is where most JUCO transfers will come from, hired guns so to speak.
This was basically our situation. Our JuCo coach suggested to our son that a well-regarded four-year school had contacted him looking for a catcher and someone that could play up the middle (they had lost both the year before to graduation). He took it upon himself to introduce himself, provide his transcripts (re: the post about grades, he is a very good student) and sell himself to the coaches as a productive player that does things the right way. Of course, a lot can happen between now and two years from now, but he's there now, in no small part, because the coaches needed someone who could fulfill a very specific role on that team and he fit that role.
quote:I would add that there are many reasons players at junior colleges do not go on to play at 4 yr schools.
Very often, it is the player's choice not to continue playing. Sometimes, it is lack of grades or courses completed that prevent continuing on. I know in my son's program, some players go on to play...and some do not. For a very wide variety of reasons.
Yup.
Quite a number of JUCO players get drafted in June and end up with a tidy little bonus and MLB scholarship plan as an alternative to attending that 4 year university.
quote:Originally posted by 2011-Grad:quote:Originally posted by TPM:
Did by chance your son get early decision?
My son applied to Florida colleges in the summer. 2 of them he heard back from a few weeks later with acceptance. The one he likes is UCF if he can't play ball. He loves baseball and really doesn't want to hang up his cleats. And, he has worked very hard over the years. He is in the cages 5 to 6 days a week for years. Lessons once a week. Lifting 5 days a week. Part of his problem is he is just naturally skinny. No matter how much he eats (and it is a lot), how much powdered supplements he drinks he doesn't gain weight. He is strong though for a 155 pound kids. I know he benches about 240, hits balls deep just not home runs.
Has he gone to baseball camp at UCF?
quote:Has he gone to baseball camp at UCF?
Good question. They put on a good winter camp, but I'm sure that's passed.
We went to a couple. Even got a personal invite to one (via phone call to 2B's travel coach), but it's a tough place to play. Coach Rooney always brings in a great recruiting class, and if you're an MIF and don't run a 6.8 at the time, forget it.
Best part about going to the UCF camps is the little bar within walking distance to the stadium. They have about 100 different kinds of beer. Dropped a lot of coin there!
quote:Originally posted by TPM:quote:Originally posted by 2011-Grad:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TPM:
Did by chance your son get early decision?
Has he gone to baseball camp at UCF?
He has been to a few camps at UCF. Coach Rooney, Palumbo, Godwin, they all know him. Guess he is just not what they look for. I think Coach likes them big. Wants power hitters. He is very thin. Lots of doubles but few HR. It would have been perfect.
quote:Some "high level academic" schools don't have JC players, but that doesn't mean they didn't try when an opportunity to fill a hole in their lineup appeared at a JC.
Not only is this true; but, I think it also raises a good related point. If you are a JUCO player who wants to play at an academically strong school, don't be bashful about letting the coaches know of your interest.
Before you do, though, I'd suggest that you do your homework. Research the school's admissions policy and standards for junior college transfers, and be prepared to speak knowledgeably with the coaches about what you bring to their roster given what you know about expected openings in their lineup/pitching staff.
If the signs are positive after having done this, contact the lead recruiter. You and he, both, may be glad you did!
quote:Originally posted by 2011-Grad:quote:Originally posted by TPM:quote:Originally posted by 2011-Grad:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TPM:
Did by chance your son get early decision?
Has he gone to baseball camp at UCF?
He has been to a few camps at UCF. Coach Rooney, Palumbo, Godwin, they all know him. Guess he is just not what they look for. I think Coach likes them big. Wants power hitters. He is very thin. Lots of doubles but few HR. It would have been perfect.
You are probably right, they want them bigger and they want them stronger without giving redshirt options (which few coaches do these days). Parents have to realize that chances are that a coach on a certain level is not going to see their player as "projectible" and give them an opportunity so he will be ready in two years, that is why there are JUCO programs that many take advantage of and may help the player to develop (possibly) into what the D1/D2 coach wants.
If Rooney and company know of him, and he has an opportunity to develop into what they are looking for, that's great, he can keep in touch with them, often times players do that.
This is where your son has to decide what he wants to do. But don't not consider FL JUCO to use as a starting point, great option for a player, IMO. And affordable.
My son went to a jc in CA and is now at a four year D1. Everyone who wanted to move on did, and it could have been to D1, D2 NAIA or the draft. Our coach has an excellent reputation for placing his players. That is something to look into.
I would agree that if the player is at the level he needs to be, he will move on.
I would caution that players attend jc's for several reasons, and everyone needs to figure out thier own situation. Although they are good for students whose grades aren't what they need to be to get in to 4 -years, don't bet that all jc players have sub-par grades. They are (especially in CA) very good alternatives in terms of expense, and there are some very good teachers at jcs who aren't concerned with research and getting published.
The biggest issue I have seen with jc is counseling and class selection. We had a nightmare first semester because of the classes they advised my son to take. Do your homework, as many have advised here before. Know what you need to take and get it done. Check with potential 4-year schools to make sure that what your student is signed up for qualifies for his eventual degree. There are transfer web sites set up for most jc to 4- year colleges. The jcs here also have programs where the transfer into a UC is very easy (as long as you progress as planned).
Finally - start as a high school student and QUALIFY. Makes life at the end of that fourth semester much easier. Be a qualifier!
I would agree that if the player is at the level he needs to be, he will move on.
I would caution that players attend jc's for several reasons, and everyone needs to figure out thier own situation. Although they are good for students whose grades aren't what they need to be to get in to 4 -years, don't bet that all jc players have sub-par grades. They are (especially in CA) very good alternatives in terms of expense, and there are some very good teachers at jcs who aren't concerned with research and getting published.
The biggest issue I have seen with jc is counseling and class selection. We had a nightmare first semester because of the classes they advised my son to take. Do your homework, as many have advised here before. Know what you need to take and get it done. Check with potential 4-year schools to make sure that what your student is signed up for qualifies for his eventual degree. There are transfer web sites set up for most jc to 4- year colleges. The jcs here also have programs where the transfer into a UC is very easy (as long as you progress as planned).
Finally - start as a high school student and QUALIFY. Makes life at the end of that fourth semester much easier. Be a qualifier!
If you look at rosters of some of the top D-1 programs around the country, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see quite a few JUCO transfers.
It does happen. My son had full scholarship offers at several universities and chose one in the SEC Conference, thanks to his talent and a track record of keeping his grades way up...that's key to a good school knowing that your son is not only a quality player but they don't want to get him on campus for the remainder of his eligibility, only to lose him to grades.
It does happen. My son had full scholarship offers at several universities and chose one in the SEC Conference, thanks to his talent and a track record of keeping his grades way up...that's key to a good school knowing that your son is not only a quality player but they don't want to get him on campus for the remainder of his eligibility, only to lose him to grades.
quote:It does happen. My son had full scholarship offers at several universities and chose one in the SEC Conference, thanks to his talent and a track record of keeping his grades way up...that's key to a good school knowing that your son is not only a quality player but they don't want to get him on campus for the remainder of his eligibility, only to lose him to grades
Absolutely,Congrats to your son.
Fan, I second that too.
Once our son got into JC, his motivation and grades went way up. His GPA is one of the main reasons he signed this fall to D1. The other two from his school also had excellent grades.
Once our son got into JC, his motivation and grades went way up. His GPA is one of the main reasons he signed this fall to D1. The other two from his school also had excellent grades.