How to adjust??

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
I fail to see the meaning of your post?

That's no surprise. You see what you want to see.

I was giving my advice to you: Open up, see things from other people's perspective. Listen to what other people have to say. You will become alot wiser and learn more about the game.

You just respond to people with who you want to respond to and ignore others in this thread.

What if folks who didn't agree with you did that? You'd be talking to yourself. It would make for very boring conversation for yourself unless you enjoy that type of thing.

Bluedog,

I'll leave you alone to continue your conversation with BobbyTewks on this thread. Promise.

So please continue by all means.

Far be it from me to deprive others of good comedy....

A parting thought...you ought to listen to coachjo; literally everytime I read this board there is always something that is said that I take and share with players. Some big, some small but still info I believe can help a player improve which is why most of us are here in the first place.

Good luck.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
You refer to hitters "starting your hands" and I will say that all MLB hitters start their hands before the front foot is down .....They turn the bat in-between their hands and is what I call floating the bat....The hands are not moving forward....They are turning the forearms while recognizing the pitch....

Isn't this rhythm?


Clarification needs to happen. I have been referencing "front foot down" with the toe touch, not heal plant.

IMO, "go" happens from toe touch. (If there is no toe touch, the hitter will be in a similar position in terms of weight shift/load despite how far off the ground the front foot is.) The front heal plants while the hips drive/open and the hands are maintaining rhythm as described above.

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Originally posted by BobbyTewks:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Thanks! Just wanted to see where you were coming from, now I know.

Where are you coming from on the above topics?

Also, any definitions for "drive the swing" and "hip drive" so we are on the same page?

Push, thrust, explosion, similar to doing a long jump or squat jump.

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Originally posted by BobbyTewks:

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Mr. Tewks, I see all great hitters opening the front hip early on...In fact, the front hip begins to open during the stride and the bat loading process.....

The back hip is the hip which loads.....

Hi BlueDog,
We are seeing different things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECGOSDTTwhE

What do you consider to be "early on" when you say all great hitters open their front hip early on?

Toe touch has very little to do with anything. The two hitters in these clips end up slightly closed after their coil and they end up slightly open at toe touch, but, IMO, it means very little. What is important to me is that as they raise their hands to their launch point, the rear hip is turning open. That rear hip will not do that unless it was stretched and loaded before they start to move out. Also, it is obvious to me that the front hip is opening the entire time between toe touch and heel plant and that is the significant point. It is also important to notice that very little weight is on that front foot as the hips are turning open. At the same time those hips are turning open the barrel is being turned rearward by the hands and forearms to create more stretch and to allow for launch, but not commitment. That stretch can not happen if the arms slot the elbow. The hands slot the elbow.

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.......they end up slightly open at toe touch, but, IMO, it means very little.

It is the very essence of stretch....It means awhole lot.....

Power, you have never learned that it's more than the stretch between the hands and the rear hip.....The bigger picture is the stretch between the front hip and the hands....

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It is also important to notice that very little weight is on that front foot as the hips are turning open.

Yes, this is important...

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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.......they end up slightly open at toe touch, but, IMO, it means very little.

It is the very essence of stretch....It means awhole lot.....

Power, you have never learned that it's more than the stretch between the hands and the rear hip.....The bigger picture is the stretch between the front hip and the hands....

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It is also important to notice that very little weight is on that front foot as the hips are turning open.

Yes, this is important...

The load I "feel" is around my rear hip joint. The bottom of the upper body turning/coiling rearward as the top of the lower body is resisting by trying to turn/move forward. The front hip in Bonds and Ruth is not trying to stay closed. They start closed to turn the upper body rearward and to hold that hip load longer. The front hip starts to open because there is no longer any weight on the front foot to keep it from turning open and it is being turned open by the rear hip that has been trying to turn open even before the upper body coil. I say, "it means very little" because toe touch means very little. Pujols' front hip is completely closed at toe touch, so...how can that be the "very essence of stretch"? IMO, the "initial" hip load or coil is the essence of stretch, because without that initial "rag wringing" in the rear hip, what the front hip does to create stretch between it and the hands means nothing. If the rear hip is not fully loaded when the hands start to turn the barrel rearward, there won't be full thrust of the rear hip. Without a fully loaded rear hip, it pushes, it can't pull and if it can't pull, there is no whip of the barrel.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Push, thrust, explosion, similar to doing a long jump or squat jump.

Similar to a long jump or squat jump?? You lost me.

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Originally posted by BobbyTewks:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Push, thrust, explosion, similar to doing a long jump or squat jump.

Similar to a long jump or squat jump?? You lost me.

You're driving up and through the direction of the hit.

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Pujols' front hip is completely closed at toe touch

I say it isn't.....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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Pujols' front hip is completely closed at toe touch

I say it isn't.....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports...ng-graphic.htm#Close

The front hip is slightly open in the video....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
The front hip is slightly open in the video....

Blue,

Sometimes he doesn't even take his front foot off the ground. He closes off his front hip and uses the momentum of that hip uncoiling to start the uncoil of the rear hip. He does not do that all the time. Sometimes he moves himself out with the rear leg and lifts his front foot. Granted, his front hip is opening when his toe lands in the latter example.

Should the hands be used to hit a ball off the tee?

It is easier to hold the bat with your hands as opposed to your legs or mouth...so yes!

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Originally posted by LAball:
Should the hands be used to hit a ball off the tee?

Want to clarify?

I said in my first post - no hands for a straight fast ball. and you countered saying in high lvl pitching nothing is straight. So off a Tee, the target is not moving, should the hands be active since no adjustment is needed? This goes with the premise that there is an adjustment, which I dont think you believe in b/c it seems that you believe the right way to is to wait longer for the ball and have a quick swing.

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Originally posted by LAball:
I said in my first post - no hands for a straight fast ball. and you countered saying in high lvl pitching nothing is straight. So off a Tee, the target is not moving, should the hands be active since no adjustment is needed? This goes with the premise that there is an adjustment, which I dont think you believe in b/c it seems that you believe the right way to is to wait longer for the ball and have a quick swing.

You use the same swing off of a tee you would use to hit BP or game pitches. The swing needs to be underway, but not committed to so small adjustments can be made with the hands, wrists, tilt, etc. The hands are the drivers of the swing. The rear hip, rear leg, core and forearms are the engine or power producers.

Lets make it easy. Most hitters try adjusting to a pitch instead of the speed. You should mentally approach the speed and adjust your swing and react to the break. Thats how I used to hit. If I wasn't sure or in a disadvantage count I wouldnt anticipate what pitch I would see but adjust to a speed between both. Making me just late on a fastball or a little early on a breaking ball. Def a better way to look at it.