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So my son is 12 and is struggling in terms of seeing the ball longer so he drives the ball to right field.  Instead he is so far out in front he is hitting a lot of ground balls.   Will pitching slower to him help where he is forced to stay back if he wants to hit the ball well?  He is a very good hitter with fast hands but I think he is anxious at the plate due to how short some of the fields are that they play on as well as seeing some of the other kids hitting home runs.  Are there any other drills to teach sitting back on a pitch?

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Back when my son was 12 I pitched to him quite a bit and spent countless hours using the T.   I also got him using batting cages. Use different speeds. He'd get on the 30 then follow up with the 80-90 machine, keep going back and forth between the 30- and 80-90 machines.  The idea behind the different speeds is to teach him how to adjust his swing. 

If you desire a longer look at the ball-  back off the plate.

Also "slow the ball" down in your mind. Remove all tension and thoughts of failure.

Prepare while in the dugout study the pitcher's  pre-game  warm up in the bullpen.

Above all, do not stand in the same holes in the batter's box as the previous hitters.

When your son is on deck and in the batter's box, do not advise!!!!!!

Bob

He is coming up on the age where he needs to start to understand...

Better pitchers going forward will try to work the outer third of the plate (and beyond) 70-85% of the time due, largely, to what you have described.

Hitters must eliminate any weakness there (unable to stay on pitches away) to have consistent success at higher levels.

Very basic specific tee work, with the ball set back in stance and away, with intent being to drive the ball hard thru the 3-4 hole (RH hitters) is vital.  Front toss away with same purpose.  For almost every player, if you can hit well away, you can hit well period.  We work these two staples almost daily with our HS teams.  There are more advanced "next steps" but, at 12, spend a lot of time with these two.

The only way to succeed at these drills is to stay on the ball longer with your front side, your head and your eyes.  Stay behind and see the ball go thru that oppo hole.  Another key is to make sure he is properly starting the swing (after stride foot has landed) by driving with the back hip first, while the front shoulder is still staying (hip/shoulder separation).  On pitches away, the hips will not turn as far as they will with middle, middle-in location.

Will pitching slower help?  Yes, that is another element that can help develop good load and balance.  Let him know you will randomly mix speeds.  Make sure you are at a distance that he has time to load/balance/react.

Also share with him that he will get far more pitches middle/ middle-in to drive deep AFTER he shows opponents that he can't be beat away.

 

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It is very important to make BP as "Game Like" as possible. Constantly mix speeds, constantly move the ball in and out up and down. It is amazing how good kids can hit off of Dad and then can't hit off someone else. Dad has learned the sweet spot and sweet speed. And so has the kid. Really hard, really slow, that's where hitters struggle. Really consistent in location - thanks, Really inconsistent in location - no thanks.

When your working put them in situations where the training is working towards the goal intended. Throw him 5 straight pitches at the same speed in the same general location. Then throw him one really hard in the total different location. What was the result? Throw him 5 at one speed then throw one with a lot off of it in another location. What was the result?

Think about it like this. When I work on blocking with catchers I don't throw every ball in the dirt. In fact I will throw 5 or 6 for strikes and have them work on receiving properly. Then out of the blue I will spike one and watch them block. On the next pitch after the spiked pitch you will have some guys drop to their knees anticipating a poor pitch.

If a hitter knows exactly what speed and what location the ball is going to be how can he not look good? What is he learning? Good hitters take each pitch on it's own. Put them in counts based on what has been thrown.

Pitch 1 - FB away.

Pitch 2 - Based on result of Pitch 1.

Etc

Yes it takes more time than to simply stand up there and throw bucket after bucket. But it's way more effective at teaching kids how to hit. It's way more effective in the hitter learning to "See" the baseball and then making a decision based on what he "Sees" vs what he knows he is going to get. In other words look for what you believe you are going to get not what you want to get.

Put him in the Bull Pen when guys are throwing. Have him stand in the box with a bat and go through the entire process. Find the ball in the pitchers hand. Go through the pre swing process and track the baseball all the way in. At what time do you recognize the pitch and location? Have him call out location and pitch as soon as he see's it. "FB away - ball." "CU in - strike." This is a great tool. Ball Strike Pitch Recognition. You will be amazed at what you actually hear.

Quick Hands, Good Bat Speed, Good Eye, worth nothing without the ability to launch at the proper time. The pitcher determines the speed you determine when you swing. Learn to be late when you need to be late. Learn to be early when you need to be early. The longer you can wait the better decisions you can make. The problem is a lot of talented young hitters are talented because they have quick hands, they are strong for their age, they have great bat speed. But the problem is when they face a Pitcher who changes speed and location all of this works against them. Seeing the ball deep is critical imo to learning how to actually hit. Not being afraid of being late. So you can be on time.

 

 

hshuler posted:

Does anyone think that seeing the ball longer is a result of early pitch recognition? The earlier you recognize speed and spin, the better.  

Personally, I think the best hitters recognize offspeed earlier and thus, aren't fooled and out front.   

Yeah, that's true, but there's a big difference between being out in front of a pitch that fools you and being out in front on the fastball you're looking for

At the 12U level the OP was talking about, the better pitchers may have an a good off speed pitch to deal with, but for the most part, especially early in the count, the hitter's job is hitting the fastball.  So when the OP talks about hitting a lot of ground balls, I think of a kid who is either too early on an outside fastball, or is actively trying to pull an outside fastball.  Either way, what he needs to learn at that age is to let the outside fastball travel deeper in the zone and drive it oppo.  There's good advice above from Cabbage and others on how to drill that. 

Understood. It's really hard to diagnose the issue without seeing the hitter. 

For example, I've seen some cheat with their hands at foot strike, some cast or hook everything and some who's hands aren't in the proper position (hands have already rolled over) at contact. All different issue but "could" be responsible for rolling ground ball. 

Update, so I had a buddy pitch to my son as well as his son.  He is throwing everything at him,  breaking balls, cutters, sliders, curves and change-ups (inside, outside, high and low)and he does very very well.  He has had two games since then and went 1-2 in the one and 2 walks in the other (on 7 pitches and the other 4) one of the foul balls was a bomb to right, but foul (son is rh).   The one hit was a hard grounder up the middle.  I am thinking it may just be mental.  He has never really been in a slump, and I wouldn't say he is in one now either (hitting 454 over 5 games) but he is not hitting the line drives or deep bombs that he typically hits.  He has the occasional line drive, but a lot of hard ground balls right now.  One of the other power hitters is going through the exact same thing right now.  It is very weird.

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