Just a note--no one has ever hit better than .400 in a season...Ted was and is unique...he was also a fighter pilot..if there is one amongst us...he can tell you about hand eye coordination! I dont doubt Williams claim, but I also doubt there is anyone blogging here who could replicate his abilities...I would say this to Dog...when I said evaluate the situation before you get into the box..it meant do I need to bunt, inside out it to right field, do we need a long flyball to get the run home! NO REDEEMING VALUE? Bdog...I have never been condesending to anyone on this board...but you Sir, need to suit it up, put a stick in your hand and stand mindlessly at the plate...my guess is your stint on the team will be short lived if that is your take on the game.
BDT, I wouldn't change his swing but I would help him be able to repeat his good swing.
Your on the right track, but, the stride doesn't mean there is power. I don't see him as trying to get his power from his feet. The stride is just a way for him to generate movement. I personally believe the toe tap and longer stride are a result of him constantly hearing "stay back" so he begins to stutter his momentum by the toe tap and longer stride. He is trying to be on time with his stride and movement but lacks the proper load and timing mechanisum to know how or when to start the movement.
You can stride and still use the core as the power source. I also think that if he were to load his body properly then unload it properly that he would illiminate the stutter as well. The load happens by getting the body in the proper posture and this posture is not the stance. Posture doesn't mean stance, thats just part of it. I see many bad stances, based on style and I see many different ones as well. Posture is more involved with where the hitter gets to with his body as he prepares to hit. How he coils it(load) and uncoils it(unload). Teach him proper posture and the problem will go away. Have him have just a lift-no stride and the problem will persist.
Your on the right track, but, the stride doesn't mean there is power. I don't see him as trying to get his power from his feet. The stride is just a way for him to generate movement. I personally believe the toe tap and longer stride are a result of him constantly hearing "stay back" so he begins to stutter his momentum by the toe tap and longer stride. He is trying to be on time with his stride and movement but lacks the proper load and timing mechanisum to know how or when to start the movement.
You can stride and still use the core as the power source. I also think that if he were to load his body properly then unload it properly that he would illiminate the stutter as well. The load happens by getting the body in the proper posture and this posture is not the stance. Posture doesn't mean stance, thats just part of it. I see many bad stances, based on style and I see many different ones as well. Posture is more involved with where the hitter gets to with his body as he prepares to hit. How he coils it(load) and uncoils it(unload). Teach him proper posture and the problem will go away. Have him have just a lift-no stride and the problem will persist.
I talked to him again.I asked him if he tryed to have his timing at contact with his center core.We talked about getting there not only by the weight shift but also the back leg hamstring driving the core around the firm front foot.He thought about it for about 10 seconds and said he believed he had been trying to get power from his stride.Blue opened my eyes some when he stated awhile back that hitters go back to what they really believe regardless of the coaching until they come to believe something on their own.I will have him read these post so he can think about what has been suggested.thanks guys for taking the time!
bdt, no matter how a hitter moves his body to swing a bat, and by that I mean what some call rotational or linear if you will, I like to refer to it as level of efficiency, their sense of timing still comes from their brain.....The brain says, "stride now".....You, as an instructor, cannot change or alter "what" his brain tells him to do.....Or, how it tells him "when" to do it.....The "what" and "when" will change with his level of swing efficiency, but, it cannot and must not be tampered with, or altered, in any way by a thinking process......What I am saying is, you should never attempt to teach timing to a hitter......If you try to do so, you will invariably, at best retard the learning process and at worst, eliminate it altogether.....
How this hitter strides is not the solution to his problem.....When he strides is the solution....Or, more to the point, when he begins weight shift....You cannot teach him when to do this.....It's a brain event.....And, the brain is fed by the eyes.....Get the eyes working better.....
Producing power with the core, most don't know where the core is, is a body movement issue.....When and how far to stride is an eye-brain issue.....One you can teach and the other you can't.....
How this hitter strides is not the solution to his problem.....When he strides is the solution....Or, more to the point, when he begins weight shift....You cannot teach him when to do this.....It's a brain event.....And, the brain is fed by the eyes.....Get the eyes working better.....
Producing power with the core, most don't know where the core is, is a body movement issue.....When and how far to stride is an eye-brain issue.....One you can teach and the other you can't.....
quote:He is trying to be on time with his stride and movement but lacks the proper load.....
Vance, I see hitters all day long who don't load properly and, yet, stride and swing on time fairly consistently.....And, these same hitters don't produce power from their core....
quote:.....and timing mechanisum to know how or when to start the movement
This is the issue....Address this and you solve the problem.....The timing mechanism is the eyes/brain interraction......
And, it's more important when, and how, the stride ends, then when it begins....
quote:I see hitters all day long who don't load properly and, yet, stride and swing on time fairly consistently.....And, these same hitters don't produce power from their core....
thats why they have no power. They don't load properly and they create no torque! They rotate the shoulders with the hips. Striding and swinging on time doesn't mean they center the ball either. But if they stride and use momentum and can be on time and can create torque then they have a chance. Timing solves alot of problems and helps a hitter become a hitter no matter how bad the swing is. Hiters can hit and they can hit because they have great timing. Mechanics aside!
bluedog makes a valid point with the brain and eyes I know from the shooting sports experience that I have..stance and swing play a part with power but you cant hit what you cant see...the eyes and brain working together to recognize and analize the pitch in that split second the batter has cannot be thought about our mental computer must make the decision for us....trust your hands and eyes,brain makes them work for you...
Blue,I understand what you are saying about the eyes/brain being the timeing mechanism.In this case the hitter's brain was telling him,he could generate more force with a more aggressive and invairably longer stride.This would change his timing to having to swing earlier the longer his stride got.In effect he believed his power came from his feet or up thru his feet.Vance you are right too in the sense he did not go thru the swing properly especially concerning the hamstring driving the lower half around.If he had always been doing this then maybe he would not have battled this problem.Thanks again,guys.
Yes Bluedog - fabulous.
Concise - and powerful - and really a breakthrough.
The "eyes/brain interaction"
Very interesting. Very interesting indeed.
LOL
Concise - and powerful - and really a breakthrough.
The "eyes/brain interaction"
Very interesting. Very interesting indeed.
LOL
Good buddy of mine Al Newman said that the best hitters SEE it Different He said Puckett could see it better therefore it was easier for him and because of that he did it with less effort. He also said Gwynn was like that even in college. He said the good hitters have a different view, a different visual perspective than evryone else.
quote:In this case the hitter's brain was telling him,he could generate more force with a more aggressive and invairably longer stride.
bdt, not what I'm saying.....But, I tried...That's all I can do....
vance
And that explains why there are hitters like Gwynn,Carew, Williams etc
They can literally get out of bed, step in the box and hit
And that explains why there are hitters like Gwynn,Carew, Williams etc
They can literally get out of bed, step in the box and hit
Al's word was Urgency. They had no urgency when hitting.
That is not Alfred E Newman is it?
No that would not be the MAD version of the ex Major League coach of the Minnesota Twins.
i think pete rose agrees with bluedog. "see the bal hit the ball" right?? isnt that what rose said.....also im wondering, how is it that if you in your mind create a mental picture the yway you want your at bat to go, and your seeing your self hit the ball before even getting into the box. well what happens if you invision geting a good fastball right?? then you get into the box and he throws you a curve?? then your timing is messed up right?? yes....thats what i think blue is saying and to an extent I agree.
I'm glad to see someone gets it.... 
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
I'm glad to see someone gets it....
Uh - Yeah - thats the ticket. LOL
quote:well what happens if you invision geting a good fastball right?? then you get into the box and he throws you a curve?? then your timing is messed up right?? yes....
Hitting is timing and pitching is disrupting that timing...It's the game within the game and even the best hitters in the world will look foolish at times.
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Can you tell if the BLUE DOG and VANCE are related?
Can you tell if the BLUE DOG and VANCE are related?
You mean like TRhit and Game????.... 
Bluedog,
Now why would you bring me into that?
Is that the only thing you got left to deal with me? Other than whining to MN-Mom. LOL
You are the self-proclaimed Hitting expert - yet you cannot answer a single question.
Do something constructive doggie. Answer one question - or give a recipe for chicken soup - or something.
Troll. And a whining one at that.
Now why would you bring me into that?
Is that the only thing you got left to deal with me? Other than whining to MN-Mom. LOL
You are the self-proclaimed Hitting expert - yet you cannot answer a single question.
Do something constructive doggie. Answer one question - or give a recipe for chicken soup - or something.
Troll. And a whining one at that.
I dont always agree from what I read from BLUE, but i do see his point. how are u going to take a mental approach if the pitcher if throwing you everything u didnt think you would get. thats why you go in there with the mind set to hit what is pitched, and its the batters job to figure out what that is before the ball gets to the plate. "see the ball hit the ball". now I know that everyone gets fooled but going up there thinking that your going to hit a certain way is bad because what if you dont get that chance because of the pitching?, well then youve already hurt yourself.
