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I've come up with the following workout program for my 15 year old son. He is small for his age (5'6", 118lb) and still has a lot of growing to do. At the advice of local PT, I have kept all reps to 15 in order to minimize the possibility of injury due to open growth plates. In addition, I eventually want to work in some speed/agility and plyometrics as well. What do you think? Too ambitious? Any concerns/thoughts?

GYM EXERCISE (MWF) Set #1 Set #2 Set #3
Sit Ups: 25 reps
Incline DB Press: 15 reps
Leg Raises: Failure
Seated Bar Curls: 15 reps
Leg Press: 15 reps
Bent Rows: 15 reps
DB Lunges: 15 reps
Tri Press Downs: 15 reps
Leg Extensions: 15 reps
Front Lat Pulls: 15 reps
Hamstring Curl: 15 reps
Back Extensions: 15 reps
Step-Ups: 15 reps
Forearm Curls: 20 reps
Calf Raises: Failure







DAILY Set #1
Knee-Ups: 10 reps
Seated Leg Tucks: 10 reps
V-Ups: 10 reps
Bicycle Sit-Ups: 10 reps
Crunches: 10 reps
Lateral Crunches: 10 reps
Side-to-Side: 10 reps
Side Leg Drops: 10 reps
Seals: 10 reps
Thrower’s 10 (see attached)

"Character: How hard you work when no one is watching."

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The workout routine looks very good.

I have been working on one for myself (hs junior, 6'3" 210)and will definitely take some ideas from it.

The only concern is if he has not been doing any weight training/conditioning prior to starting on this, it may be a little rigorous and tiring for him. Just keep an eye out for injury.
Chris,

First of I admire you taking the time to help your son the best way possible.

If it is ok with you I would like to do an in-depth breakdown of this program. While there are a few good things, the majority of it's design will not only DECREASE performance but will increase risk of injury.

I know this is not your fault, the S & C info floating around lately just makes me sick.

However, I don't want to rip your program apart if you do not want me to or will not take any of the advice I have to give.

Typically I reserve this type of program design info for my private clients and they pay A LOT of money to recieve, but like I said earlier the info floating around is not only poor, it's dangerous.

Just say the word and I will give you an in-depth review over the weekend.
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Originally posted by Jon Doyle:
Chris,

First of I admire you taking the time to help your son the best way possible.

If it is ok with you I would like to do an in-depth breakdown of this program. While there are a few good things, the majority of it's design will not only DECREASE performance but will increase risk of injury.

I know this is not your fault, the S & C info floating around lately just makes me sick.

However, I don't want to rip your program apart if you do not want me to or will not take any of the advice I have to give.

Typically I reserve this type of program design info for my private clients and they pay A LOT of money to recieve, but like I said earlier the info floating around is not only poor, it's dangerous.

Just say the word and I will give you an in-depth review over the weekend.


Jon- By all means, please fell free to critique the program. That is exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. I appreciate any and all help that you or anyone else can provide. Thanks!
Chris here is your quote with my notes inside...my notes will be in CAPS...I am not yelling Smile

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I've come up with the following workout program for my 15 year old son. He is small for his age (5'6", 118lb) and still has a lot of growing to do. At the advice of local PT, I have kept all reps to 15 in order to minimize the possibility of injury due to open growth plates.

THIS IS A MYTH. YES, CERTAIN PRECAUTIONS NEED TO BE MADE WITH YOUNGER ATHLETES, AND I DO RECOMMENDA SLIGHTLY HIGHER REP RANGE (TYPICALLY 10-12) THAN FOR MY OLDER ATHLETES, THE KEY HERE IS TECHNIQUE AND NOT LOSING POSTURE TO PREVENT INJURY. THERE IS NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT 15 REPS, ESPECIALLY IF THE 15TH REP IS HARD AND POSTURE (I.E. TECHNIQUE) IS LOST.

IN THE WORKOUT YOU LIST TWO EXERCISES (LEG RAISES AND CALF RAISES) TO FAILURE. NEVER WORK TILL FAILURE. THERE IS NO NEED AND THIS IS A QUICK WAY TOWARDS AND INJURY AND IMPROPER MOVEMENT PATTERNS

In addition, I eventually want to work in some speed/agility and plyometrics as well. What do you think? Too ambitious? Any concerns/thoughts?

DONE PROPERLY SPEED/AGILITY IS WORKED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE WORKOUT. EXERCISES SUCH AS SQUATS, DEADLIFTS, POWER CLEANS, POWER SNATCHES, PULLUPS AND PRESSES CAN ALL DEVELOP SPEED AND STRENGTH, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER FACETS OF ATHLETICISM.

PLYOMETRICS ARE DONE INCORRECTLY BY 99.9% OF COACHES WHO ATTEMPT TO DO THEM. TOO OFTEN A BASE IS NOT BUILT ON VERY BASIC PLYO EXERCISES SUCH AS THE DEPTH JUMP AND HOLD. USUALLY TENS OF EXERCISES ARE INTRODUCED WITH ABSOLUTELY NO CARE IN POSTURE OR VISION. IF YOU ARE DOING PLYOMETRICS IN REPS ABOVE 3 YOU ARE DOING THEM INCORRECTLY. IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE GROUND WHEN DOING PLYO'S YOU ARE DOING THEM INCORRECTLY. I WOULD SKIP THEM AT THIS POINT OR DO VERY BASIC VERSIONS. THEY ARE EXTREMELY DEMANDING UPON THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM AND WITH THE OTHER WORK YOU SHOULD BE DOING THESE ARE NOT NEEDED UNTIL A PROPER BASE OF STRENGTH AND MOVEMENT IS ESTABLISHED.

GYM EXERCISE (MWF) Set #1 Set #2 Set #3
Sit Ups: 25 reps
Incline DB Press: 15 reps
Leg Raises: Failure
Seated Bar Curls: 15 reps
Leg Press: 15 reps
Bent Rows: 15 reps
DB Lunges: 15 reps
Tri Press Downs: 15 reps
Leg Extensions: 15 reps
Front Lat Pulls: 15 reps
Hamstring Curl: 15 reps
Back Extensions: 15 reps
Step-Ups: 15 reps
Forearm Curls: 20 reps
Calf Raises: Failure

THERE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE ANY RHYME OR REASON WHY EACH EXERCISE IS INCLUDED AND IN THE ORDER THE PROGRAM IS DESIGNED.

WHY SO MANY MACHINES? STAY AWAY FROM THEM. THEY DO NOT TEACH PROPER MOVEMENT PATTERNS ARE ARE NOT "SAFER" THAN FREE WEIGHTS.

TOO MUCH ISOLATION WORK. THE BASIS OF ALL TRAINING SHOULD BE THE EXERCISES I LISTED ABOVE WHEN SPEAKING ABOUT SPEED. THE BODY DOES NOT WORK IN ISOLATION SO WHY WOULD YOU TRAIN AND ATHLETE LIKE A BODYBUILDER? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A BODYBUILDER PLAY A SPORT?

YOU HAVE THE SAME EXERCISES IN THE SAME ORDER EACH EXERCISE. THIS WILL DEVELOP MUSCULAR IMBALANCES. EXERCISES THAT UTILIZE COMPLEX MOTOR PATTERNS, AGAIN SUCH AS THE EXERCISES I LISTED ABOVE, NEED TO BE DONE FIRST IN A WORKOUT. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERFORMED OFF OF THAT.

YOUR "AB/CORE" WORK IS NOTHING MORE THAN TRUNK FLEXION. THE PROGRAM YOU OUTLINED IS A BACK INJURY WAITING TO HAPPEN. I RARELY USE CRUNCHES. THEY ARE BASICALLY USELESS. NO CARRYOVER TO THROWING, PITCHING OR SWINGING. YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON GROUND-BASED MOVEMENTS THAT INCORPORATE CORE WORK. AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK TO THE EXERCISE ABOVE. ADDITIONAL ROTATION WORK SUCH AS MEDICINE BALL THROWS, HOME RUN PRESSES, WINDMILLS, CORKSCREWS, WINDSHIELD WIPERS, ETC NEED TO BE USED FOR AB/CORE WORK.

IN ADDITION YOU NEED TO INCORPORATE STATIC HOLDS SUCH AS THE PLANK, SIDE PLANK, BRIDGE AND HORSE POSE.

THE LOWER BACK TAKES A BEATING IN BASEBALL AND THIS PROGRAM WILL FURTHER DEVELOP AN ANTERIOR MUSCULAR IMBALANCE. IT CURRENTLY HAS VERY LITTLE POSTERIOR CHAIN WORK AND LOWER BACK WORK.

EXERCISES TO KEEP:
BENT-OVER ROW
LUNGES
STEP-UPS (HIGH BOX VARIETY USING ONLY LEAD LEG)

DROP EVERYTHING ELSE.

ADD:
SQUATS (ALL VARIATIONS)
DEADLIFTS(ALL VARIATIONS)
POWER CLEANS (HANG)
POWER SNATCHES (HANG)
PULLUPS/CHINUPS (ALL VARIATIONS)
PUSH PRESS
OTHER VERSINS OF LUNGES SUCH AS OVERHEAD LUNGE AND STAR LUNGE
MEDICINE BALL CIRCUITS
XVEST WORK
GROUND-BASED CORE WORK (EXERCISES LISTED ABOVE)
LADDER DRILLS FOR AGILITY/SPEED

I THINK 1-2 SETS PER EXERCISE IS FINE. 25-30 MINUTES IS PLENTY FOR HIS AGE. YOU JUST WANT TO START DEVELOPING PROPER MOVEMENT PATTERNS.

WHAT IS RARELY UNDERSTOOD IS 15 YEAR OLDS WILL GET STRONGER DUE TO IMPROVED NUEROMUSCULAR CONNECTION, BUT WILL RARELY GET "BIGGER" DUE TO WEIGHT TRAINING. SURE THEY WILL GROW, BUT THE WEIGHT COMES A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FOR MOST.

DAILY Set #1
Knee-Ups: 10 reps
Seated Leg Tucks: 10 reps
V-Ups: 10 reps
Bicycle Sit-Ups: 10 reps
Crunches: 10 reps
Lateral Crunches: 10 reps
Side-to-Side: 10 reps
Side Leg Drops: 10 reps
Seals: 10 reps
Thrower’s 10 (see attached)


PLEASE DROP THIS AB ROUTINE ASAP. ITS A NIGHTMARE WITH WAY TOO MUCH VOLUME.

FOR YOUR SON I WOULD DO A WORKOUT WITH ABOUT 25-35% OF THE ENTIRE VOLUME OF THE WORKOUT YOU OUTLINED.

I HOPE I DID NOT COME ACROSS TOO HARSH. I AM JUST TRYING TO HELP AND AGAIN, COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HELP YOU SON AND BE INVOLVED.
Jon- I really appreciate all the time you put in to evaluating this program. Obviously I have a lot to learn. Contributions like yours are exactly what makes this forum so great. You pretty much nailed it when you said the program had no real rhyme or reason in terms of the exercises or the order. It is basically a mish mash of books read, lifts I did in college, and various forum posts. Tried to alternate different leg exercises with the upper body work in an attempt to give him some rest for the muscle groups while keeping the program moving as quickly as possible. I guess that was not such a great idea? The Daily Core exercises were taken directly from Coleman's "52 Week Baseball Training", but its quite possible that I have not applied it correctly since I have not had time to really read it in depth as yet. Also I'm sure, like many other fields, there have been significant advances in training techniques in recent years. As for the machine use (I counted 5), I was trying to take advantage of the machines available for certain muscle groups while trying to limit the risk to injury. I've heard squats and the olympic lifts are better, but I wasn't comfortable adding those (or any heavy free weights) into the program since he is doing it (I'm embarassed to say) largely unsupervised. My father takes him to the gym so that he can lift while I'm at work. Evenings (after work) are difficult to get into a routine due to his summer baseball schedule. I guess I need to break down and get a personal trainer for him, but they can be very expensive and, quite frankly, I'm not certain all of them have the proper knowledge when it comes to training baseball players...I guess I (an exwrestler) haven't done much better. Smile I was hoping to be able to put it off for a year or two, but any advice on what questions I can ask or other means of determining the right personal trainer for my son? Again, thanks for all your input. I'm going to print it, study it a little more in depth, and keep it for a reference. Maybe even show it to whichever PT we end up going with. PS. If you're interested in taking a vacation in sunny VA Beach this Summer, give me a shout, I'm sure we could put you up for a few days Smile

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