HS coach doesn't like coach who gives lessons.

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Originally posted by KC Dawg:

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Originally posted by PantherSkipper:
And for the hitting coach who has his hitters sit on curveballs 0-0, I want to play you 12 times a year.

I agree with you in theory, PantherSkipper. But sometimes that's the best pitch you're going to get. I would have said exactly what you said above until I listened to Steve Springer's Quality At Bats CD. His advice basically tells you to go looking for a pitch that you think you are going to get in a place that you can hit it. So, if the pitcher is starting off most hitters with a curveball that he is throwing for strikes, go up there and attack the curveball.

My son listened to this CD every couple of weeks this past season and it had a huge positive impact on his approach at the plate. In the first summer tournament of last year he roped an 0-0 curveball into right field. I asked him why he would do that having been taught to look fastball until he had two strikes on him. He said "because I knew he was going to throw it." Apparently the pitcher had thrown a first pitch curveball for a strike on 5 of the 7 players that hit before him.

So, he sat on the curve, and it worked. I wouldn't advocate doing it all the time, but there is a time and a place for it.

We definitely have kids that play other sports. In fact, us doing so much in the off-season encourages that. If they are expected to be with us 6 days a week training, or could play football, many will choose football. Our 1 returning starter this Spring was the QB this fall. He did no baseball...I want them to concentrate on their other sports during those seasons. This is just an opportunity for those that do not play other sports.

Here is what we do deal with though...we ask that our pitchers do not throw from October 20th-XMas...we do the "Athletic Pitcher" program 3x a week during this time, and really push them in the weight room...however we have a couple of guys that play summer baseball with another team, and those guys want our pitchers throwing 2 bullpens a week....that puts the kid directly in the middle. I fully encourage our guys to play anywhere they want to in the summer, and will continue to do so, but that is where some of the HS coaches' frustration lies...why would a kid need to throw multiple bullpens a week when there will be no games in our state until March 15?

Love the Athletic Pitcher program. My son has been doing portions of it for a number of years. You're right, the kids absolutely need the downtime, though.

realteamcoach, I wonder what the regulations are in Missouri with regards to off season workouts. I coach in Illinois, while we can have them, a coach can not be there to instruct and can not plan any activites etc. if they involve skills in the sport. We did plyos and weightroom but even then, it is against IHSA Rules to take roll, etc. As most know, off season conditioning, weightroom participation, etc. can not be used when determining your team for the upcoming season. So, I guess I'm asking, but would guess, that these workouts are offered by you but are not mandatory.

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Originally posted by CoachB25:
realteamcoach, I wonder what the regulations are in Missouri with regards to off season workouts. I coach in Illinois, while we can have them, a coach can not be there to instruct and can not plan any activites etc. if they involve skills in the sport. We did plyos and weightroom but even then, it is against IHSA Rules to take roll, etc. As most know, off season conditioning, weightroom participation, etc. can not be used when determining your team for the upcoming season. So, I guess I'm asking, but would guess, that these workouts are offered by you but are not mandatory.

As long as it is open to anyone, and not mandatory, and we don't organize games/scrimmages, we are fine. We can lift, throw, hit, etc. If you have to make something mandatory, you aren't doing it right. Kids should only come because they see the benefits of getting better. And as coaches, we should be doing things to help make our players better, not just jumping through hoops to make them.

My first year at this school I could get 5 kids to consistently show up, so I know about the frustrations of that kind of stuff. You just need to have that good group of workers, have a good relationship with them, help them improve, then your program can take off.

A life lesson,

At almost every level of baseball (little league to triple AAA) I hear this issue arise.

As long as your son is fundamentally sound with good mechanics, he may need to be respectful and quietly continue to do what works for him. When players are hitting well, smart coaches say little.

Like "Will" says, if it's not broken...dont fix it. (or change what your doing)

Can someone (realteamcoach or KC Dawg) explain athletic pticher. My 2014 is shut down as far as pitching from last week until after holidays to rest his arm. He has been lifting, hitting and mostly playing HS basketball, but thougth athletic pitcher sounded like something he and I would like to research to put in his workout regime

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Originally posted by chefmike7777:
Can someone (realteamcoach or KC Dawg) explain athletic pticher. My 2014 is shut down as far as pitching from last week until after holidays to rest his arm. He has been lifting, hitting and mostly playing HS basketball, but thougth athletic pitcher sounded like something he and I would like to research to put in his workout regime

It is hard if you do the program correctly. You buy the equipment through Oates Specialties...I think they are based out of Texas. Ron Wolforth is pretty involved, and if you type his name and "athletic pitcher" you will find the program. It is pretty expensive as well if it is just one kid. There are other groups that use bands, etc., and believe they also probably work...I just got hooked on the athletic pitcher and have really been pleased with the results, so we have continued to use.

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Originally posted by calisportsfan:
Just tell your son not to talk about what he does on his own. It's not anyone business but conversely, why broadcast it.

I agree. To the best of my knowledge, my son has never mentioned outside instruction to his high school coach. However, in our area you won't do much outside work during the high school season as they are either playing or practicing 6 days a week. You better be ready once the season starts.

High school coaches with ego problems? Who would have guessed that? Most coaches have ego problems at any level and any sport. It is the human nature factor at work.. After all, they know best. The truth is sometimes they do and sometimes not so much. A player should get lessons if he wants and just be quiet about it.

to coach you need an ego

to run a business you need an ego

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Originally posted by calisportsfan:
Just tell your son not to talk about what he does on his own. It's not anyone business but conversely, why broadcast it.

I don't know about others here but that wouldn't be an option with my son. His HS coach wants to know exactly what he did during the offseason, to include private instruction. It's either lie to the coach or tell him it is none of his business. I don't think either would be good for the kid.