Not sure if this belongs here but its as good a place as any.
Do a kids HS grades come into play with 4 yr colleges after 2 years at a JUCO?
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I spoke first hand with the Assnt Coach of one of the UC's at a Showcase last month. I was asking about a very good ballplayer who decided to go JUCO with the intent of transferring after soph year. His response was that at his school, the kid would never get looked at, due to his 3.2 GPA in HS... regardless of his grades in JUCO. The kid is a real player and the coach confirmed that, but at least at UC, he said they just don't go there. This is QUITE CONTRARY to everything I had ever heard before.
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There are articulation agreements between the Community College system and the University of California. Do well at JUCO and it's easier to gain admittance to UC as a junior than as a freshman. High school grades are irrelevant. If a kid isn't being looked at, it's because the coaches don't want him, not because he can't gain admittance to the university.
So, 4 year state schools may have an agreement with the state based JUCOs
I'll find out if theres an arrangement in my state.
How about 4 year private or out of state schools? Anyone have any knowledge?
I'll find out if theres an arrangement in my state.
How about 4 year private or out of state schools? Anyone have any knowledge?
Some colleges don't accept transfer students, others do .... it's not a policy of the coaching staff usually, it a College/University policy, and the one's that don't, public and private are the exception, not the rule.
Here's the skinny from the NCAA's policies and guidelines on the rules for competition on transfer students. The sections on "Qualifier" and "Not a Qualifier" is determined by their status coming out of HS, based on their Core GPA and SAT scores.
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14.5.4 Two-Year College Transfers
A student who transfers to a member institution from a two-year college or from a branch school that conducts an intercollegiate athletics program must complete an academic year of residence unless the student meets the following eligibility requirements applicable to the division of which the certifying institution is a member. Further, a transfer student-athlete admitted after the 12th class day may not utilize that semester or quarter for the purpose of establishing residency. (Revised: 1/10/92)
14.5.4.1 Qualifier
A transfer student from a two-year college who was a qualifier (per Bylaw 14.3.1.1) is eligible for competition in Division I institutions the first academic year in residence only if the student has spent at least one full-time semester or one full-time quarter in residence at the two-year college (excluding summer sessions), presented a minimum grade-point average of 2.000 (see Bylaw 14.5.4.5.3.2) and satisfactorily completed an average of at least 12-semester or -quarter hours of transferable-degree credit acceptable toward any baccalaureate degree program at the certifying institution for each full-time academic term of attendance at the two-year college. (Revised: 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03; for those students entering an NCAA institution on a full-time basis on or after 8/1/03)
14.5.4.2 Not a Qualifier
A transfer student from a two-year college who was not a qualifier (per Bylaw 14.3.1.1) is eligible for institutional financial aid, practice and competition the first academic year in residence only if the student has graduated from the two-year college, has completed satisfactorily a minimum of 48-semester or 72-quarter hours of transferable-degree credit acceptable toward any baccalaureate degree program at the certifying institution and has attended a two-year college as a full-time student for at least three semesters or four quarters (excluding summer terms). In addition, such a student must have a cumulative grade-point average of 2.000 (see Bylaw 14.5.4.5.3.2). (Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96 for those student-athletes first entering a two-year collegiate institution on or after 8/1/96; 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03 for those students first entering an NCAA institution on a full-time basis on or after 8/1/03; 6/1/06)
14.5.4.3 Status as Qualifier or Nonqualifier
A prospective student-athlete who does not graduate from high school before enrolling as a regular student in a two-year college may not transfer work back to the high school, graduate from the high school and establish initial eligibility at a member institution on the basis of the revised high school record. Such a student is considered to be a two-year college transfer who was a nonqualifier.
14.5.4.5 Two-Year College Transfer Regulations
The following regulations shall be applied in administering the eligibility requirements for two-year college transfers.
14.5.4.5.1 Multiple Two-Year Colleges
When a student-athlete has been in residence at two or more two-year colleges, the terms of residence at all two-year colleges may be combined in order to satisfy the residence requirement. All grades and all course credits that are transferable from the two-year colleges to the member institution shall be considered in determining the student-athlete's eligibility under Bylaw 14.5 (see also Bylaw 14.5.6). In addition, at least 25 percent of the credit hours used to fulfill the student’s academic degree requirements must be earned at the two-year college that awards the degree per Bylaw 14.5. (Revised: 1/11/94)
14.5.4.5.2 Credit Earned at Four-Year Institution
If a student-athlete attends a two-year college and, prior to regular enrollment at a member institution, attains additional credits as a part-time student in a four-year collegiate institution, the hours accumulated at the four-year institution may be utilized by the member institution in determining the student-athlete's eligibility under the two-year college transfer provisions, provided:
(a) These hours are accepted by the two-year college and are placed on the transcript or other official document by the two-year college from which the student-athlete transfers prior to the date of initial regular enrollment at the NCAA member institution; and
(b) Any official document (other than the student's transcript) utilized by the two-year college for this purpose includes the official seal of the two-year college, is signed by the appropriate academic official of the two-year college and is forwarded directly from the two-year college to the appropriate admissions official of the certifying institution.
14.5.4.5.3 Determination of Transferable Degree Credit
For the purpose of determining transferable degree credit, the institution may count those courses accepted as degree credit in any of its colleges, schools or departments.
14.5.4.5.3.1 Transferable Credit, Unacceptable Grade
Credit hours for courses with grades not considered acceptable for transferable degree credit for all students at an institution shall not be counted in determining whether the transfer requirement for total number of hours is satisfied.
14.5.4.5.3.2 Calculation of Grade-Point Average for Transferable Credit
Grades earned in all courses that are normally transferable to an institution shall be considered in determining the qualitative grade-point average for meeting transfer requirements, regardless of the grade earned or whether such grade makes the course unacceptable for transferable degree credit. Only the last grade earned in a course that has been repeated shall be included in the grade-point-average calculation.
14.5.4.5.4 Degree Requirement
In order to satisfy the two-year-college graduation requirement for eligibility immediately upon transfer from a two-year college to a member institution, a student-athlete must receive an associate or equivalent degree in an academic or technical, rather than a vocational, curriculum. The Academics/Eligibility/Compliance Cabinet shall have the authority to determine whether a two-year college degree is academic or technical, rather than vocational, in nature. (Revised: 1/10/95, 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99)
14.5.4.5.5 Transfer to Four-Year College Prior to Completion of Requirements
The requirements set forth in Bylaw 14.5.4 must be met prior to a student-athlete's transfer to the certifying institution. Thus, if a two-year college student transfers (as defined in Bylaw 14.5.2) to a member institution prior to the completion of applicable transfer requirements, the student is subject to the one-year residence requirement at the certifying institution, even though the student transfers back to the two-year college and completes the necessary requirements.
14.5.4.5.6.1 Temporary Certification, Recruited Two-Year College Transfer
If a recruited two-year college transfer reports for athletics participation before the student's high school or two-year college academic record has been certified, the student may practice, but not compete, for a maximum of 14 days. After this 14-day period, the student shall have established minimum requirements as a transfer to continue practicing or to compete. (Adopted: 1/10/90, Revised: 10/7/05)
14.5.4.5.6.1 Temporary Certification, Recruited Two-Year College Transfer
14.5.4.5.6.2 Temporary Certification, Nonrecruited Two-Year College Transfer
If a nonrecruited two-year college transfer reports for athletics participation before the student's high school or two-year college academic record has been certified, the student may practice, but not compete, for a maximum of 45 days. After this period, the student shall have established minimum requirements as a transfer to continue practicing or to compete. (Adopted: 1/10/90)
14.5.4.5.7 Competition in Year of Transfer.
A transfer student from a two-year institution, who has met the two-year transfer eligibility requirements per Bylaw 14.5.4, is not eligible to compete at the certifying institution during the segment that concludes with the NCAA championship if the student-athlete has competed at the two-year college during that segment of the same academic year in that sport. (Revised: 1/11/94, 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04)
14.5.4.6 Exceptions or Waivers for Transfer from Two-Year Colleges
A transfer student from a two-year college or from a branch school that conducts an intercollegiate athletics program is not subject to the residence requirement at the certifying institution if any one of the following conditions is met. An individual who is not a qualifier shall not be permitted to use the exceptions under this bylaw. (Revised: 4/27/06)
Here's the skinny from the NCAA's policies and guidelines on the rules for competition on transfer students. The sections on "Qualifier" and "Not a Qualifier" is determined by their status coming out of HS, based on their Core GPA and SAT scores.
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14.5.4 Two-Year College Transfers
A student who transfers to a member institution from a two-year college or from a branch school that conducts an intercollegiate athletics program must complete an academic year of residence unless the student meets the following eligibility requirements applicable to the division of which the certifying institution is a member. Further, a transfer student-athlete admitted after the 12th class day may not utilize that semester or quarter for the purpose of establishing residency. (Revised: 1/10/92)
14.5.4.1 Qualifier
A transfer student from a two-year college who was a qualifier (per Bylaw 14.3.1.1) is eligible for competition in Division I institutions the first academic year in residence only if the student has spent at least one full-time semester or one full-time quarter in residence at the two-year college (excluding summer sessions), presented a minimum grade-point average of 2.000 (see Bylaw 14.5.4.5.3.2) and satisfactorily completed an average of at least 12-semester or -quarter hours of transferable-degree credit acceptable toward any baccalaureate degree program at the certifying institution for each full-time academic term of attendance at the two-year college. (Revised: 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03; for those students entering an NCAA institution on a full-time basis on or after 8/1/03)
14.5.4.2 Not a Qualifier
A transfer student from a two-year college who was not a qualifier (per Bylaw 14.3.1.1) is eligible for institutional financial aid, practice and competition the first academic year in residence only if the student has graduated from the two-year college, has completed satisfactorily a minimum of 48-semester or 72-quarter hours of transferable-degree credit acceptable toward any baccalaureate degree program at the certifying institution and has attended a two-year college as a full-time student for at least three semesters or four quarters (excluding summer terms). In addition, such a student must have a cumulative grade-point average of 2.000 (see Bylaw 14.5.4.5.3.2). (Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96 for those student-athletes first entering a two-year collegiate institution on or after 8/1/96; 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03 for those students first entering an NCAA institution on a full-time basis on or after 8/1/03; 6/1/06)
14.5.4.3 Status as Qualifier or Nonqualifier
A prospective student-athlete who does not graduate from high school before enrolling as a regular student in a two-year college may not transfer work back to the high school, graduate from the high school and establish initial eligibility at a member institution on the basis of the revised high school record. Such a student is considered to be a two-year college transfer who was a nonqualifier.
14.5.4.5 Two-Year College Transfer Regulations
The following regulations shall be applied in administering the eligibility requirements for two-year college transfers.
14.5.4.5.1 Multiple Two-Year Colleges
When a student-athlete has been in residence at two or more two-year colleges, the terms of residence at all two-year colleges may be combined in order to satisfy the residence requirement. All grades and all course credits that are transferable from the two-year colleges to the member institution shall be considered in determining the student-athlete's eligibility under Bylaw 14.5 (see also Bylaw 14.5.6). In addition, at least 25 percent of the credit hours used to fulfill the student’s academic degree requirements must be earned at the two-year college that awards the degree per Bylaw 14.5. (Revised: 1/11/94)
14.5.4.5.2 Credit Earned at Four-Year Institution
If a student-athlete attends a two-year college and, prior to regular enrollment at a member institution, attains additional credits as a part-time student in a four-year collegiate institution, the hours accumulated at the four-year institution may be utilized by the member institution in determining the student-athlete's eligibility under the two-year college transfer provisions, provided:
(a) These hours are accepted by the two-year college and are placed on the transcript or other official document by the two-year college from which the student-athlete transfers prior to the date of initial regular enrollment at the NCAA member institution; and
(b) Any official document (other than the student's transcript) utilized by the two-year college for this purpose includes the official seal of the two-year college, is signed by the appropriate academic official of the two-year college and is forwarded directly from the two-year college to the appropriate admissions official of the certifying institution.
14.5.4.5.3 Determination of Transferable Degree Credit
For the purpose of determining transferable degree credit, the institution may count those courses accepted as degree credit in any of its colleges, schools or departments.
14.5.4.5.3.1 Transferable Credit, Unacceptable Grade
Credit hours for courses with grades not considered acceptable for transferable degree credit for all students at an institution shall not be counted in determining whether the transfer requirement for total number of hours is satisfied.
14.5.4.5.3.2 Calculation of Grade-Point Average for Transferable Credit
Grades earned in all courses that are normally transferable to an institution shall be considered in determining the qualitative grade-point average for meeting transfer requirements, regardless of the grade earned or whether such grade makes the course unacceptable for transferable degree credit. Only the last grade earned in a course that has been repeated shall be included in the grade-point-average calculation.
14.5.4.5.4 Degree Requirement
In order to satisfy the two-year-college graduation requirement for eligibility immediately upon transfer from a two-year college to a member institution, a student-athlete must receive an associate or equivalent degree in an academic or technical, rather than a vocational, curriculum. The Academics/Eligibility/Compliance Cabinet shall have the authority to determine whether a two-year college degree is academic or technical, rather than vocational, in nature. (Revised: 1/10/95, 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99)
14.5.4.5.5 Transfer to Four-Year College Prior to Completion of Requirements
The requirements set forth in Bylaw 14.5.4 must be met prior to a student-athlete's transfer to the certifying institution. Thus, if a two-year college student transfers (as defined in Bylaw 14.5.2) to a member institution prior to the completion of applicable transfer requirements, the student is subject to the one-year residence requirement at the certifying institution, even though the student transfers back to the two-year college and completes the necessary requirements.
14.5.4.5.6.1 Temporary Certification, Recruited Two-Year College Transfer
If a recruited two-year college transfer reports for athletics participation before the student's high school or two-year college academic record has been certified, the student may practice, but not compete, for a maximum of 14 days. After this 14-day period, the student shall have established minimum requirements as a transfer to continue practicing or to compete. (Adopted: 1/10/90, Revised: 10/7/05)
14.5.4.5.6.1 Temporary Certification, Recruited Two-Year College Transfer
14.5.4.5.6.2 Temporary Certification, Nonrecruited Two-Year College Transfer
If a nonrecruited two-year college transfer reports for athletics participation before the student's high school or two-year college academic record has been certified, the student may practice, but not compete, for a maximum of 45 days. After this period, the student shall have established minimum requirements as a transfer to continue practicing or to compete. (Adopted: 1/10/90)
14.5.4.5.7 Competition in Year of Transfer.
A transfer student from a two-year institution, who has met the two-year transfer eligibility requirements per Bylaw 14.5.4, is not eligible to compete at the certifying institution during the segment that concludes with the NCAA championship if the student-athlete has competed at the two-year college during that segment of the same academic year in that sport. (Revised: 1/11/94, 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04)
14.5.4.6 Exceptions or Waivers for Transfer from Two-Year Colleges
A transfer student from a two-year college or from a branch school that conducts an intercollegiate athletics program is not subject to the residence requirement at the certifying institution if any one of the following conditions is met. An individual who is not a qualifier shall not be permitted to use the exceptions under this bylaw. (Revised: 4/27/06)
Thanks HHH Great info!
Basically the way I read it is if your "qualified" and meet some basic requirements at a JUCO your good to go.
Athletics aside....Is the HS GPA considered in the admission of a JUCO transfer to a 4 year college?
Basically the way I read it is if your "qualified" and meet some basic requirements at a JUCO your good to go.
Athletics aside....Is the HS GPA considered in the admission of a JUCO transfer to a 4 year college?
The HS GPA is mostly used to determine if you were a qualifier coming out of HS. That way, they know which rule to apply (qualifier vs non-qualifier).
If you have a even a below average SAT score (say 820), you need a GPA coming out of HS in your core academics of a 2.5. The higher the SAT, the lower your GPA needs to be in order to be a qualifier.
Even if you plan on attending a JUCO (because it's a better initial fit academically), you should still register with the NCAA clearinghouse and get your initial eligibility determined as a qualifier.
Got to www.ncaaclearinghouse.net to start the process. Your HS transcript will be sent (there are release forms) to the NCAA and you can register to send your SAT scores (or previous SAT scores) to the clearinghouse in order to get the ball rolling.
It's all about options. If you get your status set as a qualifier before ever enrolling in a JUCO, it will increase your options (but, regardless, you will have a lot of options open to you even if you don't).
If you have a even a below average SAT score (say 820), you need a GPA coming out of HS in your core academics of a 2.5. The higher the SAT, the lower your GPA needs to be in order to be a qualifier.
Even if you plan on attending a JUCO (because it's a better initial fit academically), you should still register with the NCAA clearinghouse and get your initial eligibility determined as a qualifier.
Got to www.ncaaclearinghouse.net to start the process. Your HS transcript will be sent (there are release forms) to the NCAA and you can register to send your SAT scores (or previous SAT scores) to the clearinghouse in order to get the ball rolling.
It's all about options. If you get your status set as a qualifier before ever enrolling in a JUCO, it will increase your options (but, regardless, you will have a lot of options open to you even if you don't).
He's NCAA registered and he'll qualify based on his SAT and GPA and core course requirements.
Im basically asking if his 2.3 HS GPA will impact his admission options to a 4 year school after 2 years at a JUCO. Will he have more options after 2 years at a JUCO or will his HS GPA haunt him?
On a side note:
We were in the midst of finding a fit at a 4 year school. He's received a fair amount of interest. Enough where I think things would have worked out OK for him considering his GPA.
Unfortunatley, in the middle of his fall season something "POPPED" in his elbow and now he's staring TJ surgery in the face. He and I have decided that it would be best if he attend a JUCO very close to home where the coaches know him and rehab the first year at home and with the help of the JUCO.
If all goes well after the first year he can work back to 100% the 2nd year of JUCO.
Never good timing, he was supposed to be in Jupiter as I type and he's going to have to sit his senior HS season.
Im basically asking if his 2.3 HS GPA will impact his admission options to a 4 year school after 2 years at a JUCO. Will he have more options after 2 years at a JUCO or will his HS GPA haunt him?
On a side note:
We were in the midst of finding a fit at a 4 year school. He's received a fair amount of interest. Enough where I think things would have worked out OK for him considering his GPA.
Unfortunatley, in the middle of his fall season something "POPPED" in his elbow and now he's staring TJ surgery in the face. He and I have decided that it would be best if he attend a JUCO very close to home where the coaches know him and rehab the first year at home and with the help of the JUCO.
If all goes well after the first year he can work back to 100% the 2nd year of JUCO.
Never good timing, he was supposed to be in Jupiter as I type and he's going to have to sit his senior HS season.
BackDash.....
Generally, if his JUCO academic records are well above average, his HS GPA will no longer be an issue. But if he is a marginal JUCO student, some Admissions offices will look back at his HS transcripts and may be influenced by those grades.
Generally, if his JUCO academic records are well above average, his HS GPA will no longer be an issue. But if he is a marginal JUCO student, some Admissions offices will look back at his HS transcripts and may be influenced by those grades.
Your question ... will his HS GPA be an issue?
Yes and No ....
I agree fully with grateful ... if he does well in his Juco, then it won't be an issue.
If he does just average at his Juco ... and he comes back strong on the field, it probably won't be a issue at a LOT of schools.
Obviously, good grades always increase your options, but your approach sounds very smart to me. Best of luck with your son on his rehab.
Yes and No ....
I agree fully with grateful ... if he does well in his Juco, then it won't be an issue.
If he does just average at his Juco ... and he comes back strong on the field, it probably won't be a issue at a LOT of schools.
Obviously, good grades always increase your options, but your approach sounds very smart to me. Best of luck with your son on his rehab.
HHH & Grateful,
Very helpful, Thank you!
Very helpful, Thank you!
So stupid question I have a junior in High School, grades are just about a B average taking Sats and Act in spring. Would a Div 1 or Div 2 even look at him or should we just look into Junior Colleges right off the bat? Or if he pulls good score on Sat would that help him. Get into Div 1 or Div 2 school.
Players are looked at from the onset because of their ability on the field not the grades---grades are great but if the on field talent is not there they mean squat
The player needs the combination of baseball talent and grades
The player needs the combination of baseball talent and grades
There is nothing wrong with a B average. A 3.0 GPA might not get you into Harvard or Yale, but it will get you on 95% of the D1 baseball fields.
Yes, coaches and colleges like players with good grades. But even more importantly, coaches like players who can play the game.
Having both just increases your options ... it sounds like your son will have his oportunities.
Yes, coaches and colleges like players with good grades. But even more importantly, coaches like players who can play the game.
Having both just increases your options ... it sounds like your son will have his oportunities.
Thank You for anwering wasn't sure. Not in Jupiter hope all is well with you