HUH

Very interesting.

32 guys on 25% scholarship?  32 full scholarships?  Any details?

The post made it seem like the 11.7 total scholarship stands - with a minimum of 25%.  Starting out, 32 scholarships at 25% gets you to 8.0 leaving a little room for some of the 32 to get more than 25%.  Or, if too many kids need over 25% to get them on campus, then you may need to back off the 32 total.

@2017 Lefty Dad posted:

The post made it seem like the 11.7 total scholarship stands - with a minimum of 25%.  Starting out, 32 scholarships at 25% gets you to 8.0 leaving a little room for some of the 32 to get more than 25%.  Or, if too many kids need over 25% to get them on campus, then you may need to back off the 32 total.

If 11.7 were boosted then I'd be excited.     

I don't see anything good from this change.  Who needs 40 guys on a roster?  Adding more scholly players without adding more schollys just cuts down how much money each kid can get.

@Buckeye 2015 posted:

I don't see anything good from this change.  Who needs 40 guys on a roster?  Adding more scholly players without adding more schollys just cuts down how much money each kid can get.

Bingo and Yahtzee.

I hate it. I think it screws the kids if there aren't more scholarships...seems more likely they will allow less than 25%.

Just what college baseball needed!

All this accomplishes is giving coaches more margin for error in recruiting. It makes the coaches even more of a used car salesman trying to convince five more players with little shot at playing they could be one of the 18-20 who get on the field.

What benefit does it provide the players? Zip, nada, nothing.

@Good Knight posted:

Kendall Rogers

@KendallRogers

BREAKING: The

@NCAA

Oversight Committee has APPROVED a waiver for the 2023-24 academic year to take

@NCAABaseball

to a 40-man roster along with allowing 32 players (counters) to be on scholarship.

A majority (68%) of D1 college coaches voted on this temporary waiver to allow more older players to get into the game before they had no eligibility left. It is temporary for 2023-2024 only. It also allows coaches to be creative in giving out $$$.

Yes, possibly some will lose and some will gain.

There are approximately 1500 players, according to what I understand, that are still in limbo with eligibility left due to covid.

The increase in scholarships is still in discussion for a later time. You can't overturn actual legislation with a temporary waiver.

This is my understanding of the situation.

Gonna assume this will have coaches bringing in more upperclassmen thru the transfer portal....meaning that a lot of younger kids will have even less chance of seeing the field than they do now

@Buckeye 2015 posted:

Gonna assume this will have coaches bringing in more upperclassmen thru the transfer portal....meaning that a lot of younger kids will have even less chance of seeing the field than they do now

The jury is still out, here is link to the incoming p5 recruits for 2023 season.

https://collegebaseballinsight...ng-recruiting-class/

Most movement will probably be pitching.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

The jury is still out, here is link to the incoming p5 recruits for 2023 season.

https://collegebaseballinsight...ng-recruiting-class/

Most movement will probably be pitching.

Just a fyi,  the school's website may or may not be the actual number of players that are participating with the varsity team.

You can use the EADA tool see what has been reported for previous year

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

Or check of the historical patterns

For example, in 2022 Tennessee had 51 players

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

Just a fyi,  the school's website may or may not be the actual number of players that are participating with the varsity team.

You can use the EADA tool see what has been reported for previous year

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

Or check of the historical patterns

For example, in 2022 Tennessee had 51 players

2021

2020

2019

FYI the current 2022-2023 D1 roster moved back to 35 with no more than 27 receiving scholarships, but was allowed to expand by as much as 40, 5 more if those spots were filled with players who were rostered during the 2020 shortened period.

Rosters are set each year before the championship season begins.

CBI,

The link you provided is not working. Can you provide a roster for UT that shows 51 players in 2022.

@TPM posted:

CBI,

The link you provided is not working. Can you provide a roster for UT that shows 51 players in 2022.

@TPM  you can go to the eada reporting tool https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

here what is reported to department of education.

"

Participants

Students who, as of the day of a varsity team's first scheduled contest (A) Are listed by the institution on the varsity team's roster; (B) Receive athletically related student aid; or (C) Practice with the varsity team and receive coaching from one or more varsity coaches. A student who satisfies one or more of these criteria is a participant, including a student on a team the institution designates or defines as junior varsity, freshman, or novice, or a student withheld from competition to preserve eligibility (i.e., a redshirt), or for academic, medical, or other reasons. This includes fifth-year team members who have already received a bachelor's degree."

Note, I'm been collecting roster data since 2015 and have seen players subsequently removed from the school's website.

This is a common occurence.

@TPM posted:

FYI the current 2022-2023 D1 roster moved back to 35 with no more than 27 receiving scholarships, but was allowed to expand by as much as 40, 5 more if those spots were filled with players who were rostered during the 2020 shortened period.

Rosters are set each year before the championship season begins.

@TPM  You can use the CBI dashboard to see roster sizes as of start of season,  NCAA-D1 has been reconciled

Here is the link

https://collegebaseballinsight...nover-insights-free/

@TPM posted:

CBI,

The link you provided is not working. Can you provide a roster for UT that shows 51 players in 2022.

@tpm remember it is common knowledge the documenting and publishing of the rosters are at the discretion and interpretation of the school.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

@TPM  you can go to the eada reporting tool https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

here what is reported to department of education.

"

Participants

Students who, as of the day of a varsity team's first scheduled contest (A) Are listed by the institution on the varsity team's roster; (B) Receive athletically related student aid; or (C) Practice with the varsity team and receive coaching from one or more varsity coaches. A student who satisfies one or more of these criteria is a participant, including a student on a team the institution designates or defines as junior varsity, freshman, or novice, or a student withheld from competition to preserve eligibility (i.e., a redshirt), or for academic, medical, or other reasons. This includes fifth-year team members who have already received a bachelor's degree."

Note, I'm been collecting roster data since 2015 and have seen players subsequently removed from the school's website.

This is a common occurence.

The site doesnt load. For fairness to UT, I would like to see the info you have posted in your graph.

As far as I am aware, in the 2021-2022 season, the limit was 40 with 32 students that could receive baseball scholarships with no 25% minimum.

Your site doesn't work on mobile.

@TPM posted:

The site doesnt load. For fairness to UT, I would like to see the info you have posted in your graph.

As far as I am aware, in the 2021-2022 season, the limit was 40 with 32 students that could receive baseball scholarships with no 25% minimum.

Your site doesn't work on mobile.

@tpm google eada cutting tool. 

As to fairness, UT provided these numbers to Department of Education.

With  respects to www.collegebaseballinsights.com  currently tablet or laptop.

You will need a subscription to see the underlying information.

@TPM posted:

The site doesnt load. For fairness to UT, I would like to see the info you have posted in your graph.

As far as I am aware, in the 2021-2022 season, the limit was 40 with 32 students that could receive baseball scholarships with no 25% minimum.

Your site doesn't work on mobile.

@tpm Any player or parent that does research wants to know how many players does the school have on the baseball team during the given spring season.

IMHO , the definition of team is active, or inactive.

Inactive can mean,  rostered and non-rostered redshirts, players that have left midseason, etc.

KISS method,

if you would like more proof, here is Florida, Ole Miss and Vanderbilt for the 2022 season,

whereas what they have reported to DOE is in line with what is on their website.

Here at College Baseball Insights, we say "Trust but Verify".

No different when you make any serious purchase

EADA thou not perfect provides a simple check about player participation.

Note there are a few exceptions, where certain parent institutions have consolidated their reporting with their subsidiary institutions

EG Penn State

2022 shows 496

This started in 2021 reporting cycle.

Here is 2020

All I did was ask about UT because I could not get the site you posted.

@TPM posted:

All I did was ask about UT because I could not get the site you posted.

You might want to re-read your comments.

1 - You questioned the numbers because you may believe school websites are accurate.

2 - I provided you a link to the department of education EADA information so you could look it up yourself for FREE.

3 - I provided you more context with respects to what may or may not be reported by the school

Why because I can see where this is going.

So I'm limiting all doubt with respects to believe what is documented by schools and what additional check should be performed by any individual that is researching any school.

EADA is 87 pages long. The link you provided didn't work.

I am aware that some programs bring in more than required in the fall. But if in 2022 , 40 was allowed on the official spring roster, I am sure that there are many, many programs beside the P5s  that probably surpass that number.

@TPM posted:

EADA is 87 pages long. The link you provided didn't work.

I am aware that some programs bring in more than required in the fall. But if in 2022 , 40 was allowed on the official spring roster, I am sure that there are many, many programs beside the P5s  that probably surpass that number.

@TPM I don't know what you are talking about.

You are making comments based on limited understanding of what a school reports for EADA.

As stated before Google EADA CUTTING TOOL you can do your own research

Here is the definition of what schools must report annually

"Participants

Students who, as of the day of a varsity team's first scheduled contest (A) Are listed by the institution on the varsity team's roster; (B) Receive athletically related student aid; or (C) Practice with the varsity team and receive coaching from one or more varsity coaches. A student who satisfies one or more of these criteria is a participant, including a student on a team the institution designates or defines as junior varsity, freshman, or novice, or a student withheld from competition to preserve eligibility (i.e., a redshirt), or for academic, medical, or other reasons. This includes fifth-year team members who have already received a bachelor's degree."

Note, the 2022 numbers were released on friday, they may or may not be in College Navigator yet

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

@TPM I don't know what you are talking about.

You are making comments based on limited understanding of what a school reports for EADA.

As stated before Google EADA CUTTING TOOL you can do your own research

Here is the definition of what schools must report annually

"Participants

Students who, as of the day of a varsity team's first scheduled contest (A) Are listed by the institution on the varsity team's roster; (B) Receive athletically related student aid; or (C) Practice with the varsity team and receive coaching from one or more varsity coaches. A student who satisfies one or more of these criteria is a participant, including a student on a team the institution designates or defines as junior varsity, freshman, or novice, or a student withheld from competition to preserve eligibility (i.e., a redshirt), or for academic, medical, or other reasons. This includes fifth-year team members who have already received a bachelor's degree."

Note, the 2022 numbers were released on friday, they may or may not be in College Navigator yet

Yes the cutting tool download was 87 pages.

I am aware of the makeup of a spring roster.

Why didn't you wait for the 2022 numbers?

@TPM posted:

Yes the cutting tool download was 87 pages.

I am aware of the makeup of a spring roster.

Why didn't you wait for the 2022 numbers?

@tpm

EADA cutting tool allows you to look up any schools reported information. you probably click on the wrong button.

As to your second point, you are not making sense.

EADA released approved 2022 reporting year on friday.

Sorry, I need to get out of the shunking place of this back and forth. 

I've provided you with a couple of resources for you to acquire the necessary knowledge of roster reporting that can be used to verify the school's website.

It is your choice to determine if the secondary source is relevant.

CBI,

I came on to tell folks that the waiver by the Oversight Committee was only for the 2023-2024.

That was keeping it simple, agree?

@TPM posted:

CBI,

I came on to tell folks that the waiver by the Oversight Committee was only for the 2023-2024.

That was keeping it simple, agree?

Bottom line I told you where you can find the true roster number.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

Bottom line I told you where you can find the true roster number.

@tpm  just in case you are still struggling to use the EADA website, this is what Tennessee reported to the Department of Education

College Baseball Insights takes it one step further,  How does a student Athlete/family verify

that the roster size put forth on the school's website is accurate?

Insights below show the historical trends for Tennessee.

IMHO, this team roster insights should be one of the criteria when trying to figure out what is going on a a school

CBI, the reporting year was 07/1/19 - 06/30/21.

What does that have to do with the 2023-2024 championship year, which this topic is about?

@TPM posted:

CBI, the reporting year was 07/1/19 - 06/30/21.

What does that have to do with the 2023-2024 championship year, which this topic is about?

@TPM Past results tend to drive future outcomes

there is a pattern at UT of having significantly more players on their roster than is shown on their website.

I just don't get how your information on UT has anything to do with the waiver granted by the Committee for next season.

Regardless of how many a program brings into the fall, before or after covid, they cannot have more on their roster than allowed and that includes RS.

FWIW, the current roster for 2023 has to be  35 for all D1 programs, but allowed 5 more if they have covid year players on roster. It doesn't matter how many were brought in during the fall, or 2, 3 years ago.

@TPM posted:

I just don't get how your information on UT has anything to do with the waiver granted by the Committee for next season.

Regardless of how many a program brings into the fall, before or after covid, they cannot have more on their roster than allowed and that includes RS.

FWIW, the current roster for 2023 has to be no more than 35 for all D1 programs. It doesn't matter how many were brought in during the fall, or 2 years ago.

@TPM again you might want to check before your speak.  has nothing to do fall roster.

Teams normally adjust their websites a few days before the start of the spring season.

UT website list 42 players.

This thread has turned into the definition of, "Huh?". 

I will say that after thinking through it, the numbers could be true but I will also give SOME examples and not all are bad.

Last year, we would have had the following guys counting toward our numbers.

Jr. player who had a mental breakdown and was quitting baseball but the coaching staff continued to give him his scholarship, even though he had agreed to give it up for the school to use.  BTW, this year he decided to come back and is a contributor.

4 players I know that were hurt to the degree that they would not be able to play anytime throughout the season.

2 players who were redshirts because there was no way they were going to play with the guys in front of them.

3-4 players I know who came for part of the fall or all of the fall but were trying to transfer so they would have counted on UT's.  Anyone who was there for fall would count.  So even if a player transfers during the break he will still count because he was a count at some point.

So that easily I have 11 players who were over.  That may be high but I think most P5's that are competitive have them.  A friend in Louisiana did a similar search and said LSU, Ole MIss, and MSU all have 13-15 this year that were there in the fall and won't be on roster in the spring.  Right, wrong, or indifferent it is the world of baseball today.

@Master P posted:

This thread has turned into the definition of, "Huh?". 

Exactly!

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

@TPM again you might want to check before your speak.  has nothing to do fall roster.

Teams normally adjust their websites a few days before the start of the spring season.

UT website list 42 players.

Yes, I know that and have stated that a few times.