I must be doing my job.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
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by TR: Do you want a pat on the back or a kiss?

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Originally posted by GasMe:
SK,
You probably already know this, but maxpreps is completely untrustworthy with respect to the accuracy of their statistics. There is no standard of quality and no oversight on the scorekeeping practices of those entering the data. Many schools do not enter stats, perhaps out of fear of helping their opponents scout them. If they do enter data, it may be sporadic, for example only entering the better games while omitting the worser.
Yeah, unfortunately the numbers are pretty much BS. What ginds my gears though, is that it doesn’t have to be that way!

With just a little oversight and some standards, there’s no reason those numbers couldn’t be at least as good as those found for college ball. BTW, although the college numbers are substantially better than the levels below, they still pretty much suck when compared to the number coming out of the books controlled by MLB.

The coach I’m scoring for is one who believes the numbers will help opponents, but I respectfully disagree. At least I can’t see anything gleaned from MaxPreps as being so helpful. If every team did the extensive stats I do, or even more and better ones, then there might be a danger, but for what’s readily available now, its pretty ridiculous.

I’ve also seen plenty examples of sporadic input, and I’ve also seen where there’s a heck of a lot of changes to earlier stats toward the end of the year. I can’t say who’ doing it, but it looks as though its being done to try to give players a “boost” in their chances for getting a ‘ship.

I would take offensive stats, in particular, with a grain of salt. For example, I know that our varsity coach has instructed his "official scorebook keeper" (as opposed to a true scorekeeper, which he is assuredly NOT) to score all errors as hit, except perhaps for the most blatant of errors. This has padded the batting average of several of our players by roughly 150 to 200 points each. (Interestingly enough, one of the big benefitters of this BA inflation is the scorer's nephew.)

Shamefully, that isn’t all that unusual. Even though its done with good intentions, its still cheating and doesn’t meet any decent moral or ethical standards. But it does come under the cloak of, IF YA AIN’T CHEATIN’, YA AIN’T TRYIN!

Personally, I would do that if a coach asked. He’s always got the final say so, so if he wants that done, he can change all the numbers that I give him, that he wants, but I wouldn’t help him. Unfortunately, not everyone is like that because they don’t feel the numbers are that important. The thing I can’t figure out is, if the numbers aren’t that important, why cheat?

I have also seen numerous cases of just plain poor quality scorekeeping - mistaking ER's versus UER's, miscounting balls or strikeouts for pitchers, being lazy about counting fractional innings for pitchers, not ascribing some SB's as due to PB's or WP's, etc.
Heck, that just scratches the surface of the quality of the SKing one’s likely to see. Compounding that problem, even for those who legitimately make every effort they can to do things right, there are mistakes made. Shoot, I’m making between 1,000 and 2,000 keystrokes entering data for just one game. I know I make a lot of data entry errors, but that’s why I have so many validation routines in my program. But even at that I make mistakes.

I issue a standard warning at the beginning of every season that I’m not infallible and appreciate anyone point out any mistakes in the numbers they see. I don’t get too many of those from other people, but I’m always catching something that doesn’t match and am back in the scoresheets trying to get it corrected.

If your team's kids are legitimately putting up the numbers you describe, they are most likely doing much better than 80th in the section.
I don’t know how “legitimate” they are, but they’re as accurate, fair, and by the rule book as I can make them.

I see the LA Times has the rankins for the south state. http://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/la-spw-hsbaser...es-sports-highschool

These are the rankings for the SJS section from the Sac Bee.
1. Yuba City (5-0)
2. Davis (6-1)
3. Woodland (5-1)
4. Elk Grove (3-1)
5. Rocklin (6-2)
6. Jesuit (3-3)
7. Sheldon (5-1)
8. Granite Bay (3-3)
9. Roseville (5-2)
10. Union Mine (5-1)
11. Casa Roble (3-2)
12. Woodcreek (4-2)
13. Franklin (4-2)
14. Pioneer (3-1-1)
15. Pleasant Grove (6-0)
16. Del Oro (4-2)
17. Bear River (4-1-2)
18. Vacaville (7-5)
19. Florin (3-2)
20. Burbank (5-1)
Others receiving consideration: Bella Vista (2-3), Del Campo (1-3), Oakmont (3-3), Oak Ridge (2-4), Placer (4-3).

I’m pretty impressed that our school is even ranked, considering they have no SRs and this is their 1st year of V play. I’m wonderin’ what will happen if we beat the #2 on Friday.

Did you see the story about MaxPreps? Looks like they’ll be heading into the stratosphere with their newfound capital and connections. Mebbe I’ll give them a call, they’re only about 20 miles down the road,
http://infosports.net/scorekeeper/images/maxpreps.pdf

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Originally posted by shortstopmom:
TR,...I find your comment to SK,

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Do you want a pat on the back or a kiss?

in violation of the message board manners.

As quoted from the HSBBW main website:

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I find your above comment to be " flame bait " and unconstructive.

Please, refrain.....( please ).

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Originally posted by Bee>:

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by TR: Do you want a pat on the back or a kiss?

I enter the fray in earnest as a peacemaker -



soo, how about if TR just splits the difference & kisses his backside