I noticed a trend for college coaches to cut players at the end of the season.

You're so right TR. Take a look...


While some people may consider a certain coach a dream...




...others may consider him a scream!

When a team is successful, everything is fine. When it's bad, stuff happens. When it happens to big teams it's in the paper. Hopfully these kids land on their feet.

Tigers clean house

lol, Mainieri's gotta be wondering what the h-ell he was thinkin' when he left the comfort of
South Bend.

We sometimes joke around about the moving van out front of coach's house ...
it's not a joke down there

he needed to be seen as making some big changes & wholesale personnel changes hopefully divert some attention/critisizm from the coaches ... for a while anyway

wow, then he diss's Smoke (preceeding coach now his boss & AD) for "dealing him a bad hand"

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from Times Picayune: Mainieri acknowledged some players eligible to return will not be back ... He said he expects starter (Furbush) to go pro and others will depart for their own reasons

"for their own reasons"? like being told -
"Hit the road Jack and don't you come back no more?"

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WBRZ News: Wise, a 2006 Freshman All-America infielder, said Mainieri told him “that I’m not welcome here anymore

it's always good to remember what ya told that other reporter too


Manieri looking forward

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When a team is successful, everything is fine. When it's bad, stuff happens.

So very true. My first College season we went 7-43. The next season there was only 8 players that returned from that dismal season.

Mind you the writing was on the wall half way through that season when guys looked at the number of recruits that were coming for visits. We figured out there was going to be major changes.

The program went from having that horrible season to having a 37-21 record, a banner year for the program.

It's sad but it does happen

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Originally posted by play baseball:

quote:

Originally posted by CoachB25:
No, I don't want him to lie and have already found another place for him to play.

YOU have already found another place for him to play????

What a wonderful coach you are!!!!! I told you a long time ago (many posts and pages ago!) and I still stand by it...Can MY kids play for YOU?????????????? You are one of those "Dream Coaches", I'm sure!

play baseball, I've been very blessed and so, some coaches will give my kids a look simpy at a mention. However, the kids have to put in the work. This particular young man did well while here and so, it wasn't that hard to find someone else that wanting him.

Bee, Wise was a true-freshman LS All American. Does his open honesty, well at least openeness, hurt his opportunities? The kid can play. He's a neighbor kid I first watched in the LL district tourney. The new Manieri thread on Tigerdroppings.com is about 6 pages and growing.

Keep in mind that Head Coaches want their "own" players

It is all part of the game

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by D-04: Does his open honesty, well at least openeness, hurt his opportunities?

I suspect not at all!!

what stood out was Manieri quoted in the Times saying
"players would be moving on for their own reasons" ... while privately giving them the axe ...
that can't put LSU in a good light ...

and how does it look to recruits that he's not a straight shooter?

he'd probably like to edit some of what he said

thanks for the link

Players talk. He ran a bunch off last fall, as well. Running off players after 8/1/2008 and making them sit out a year doesn't pass the smell test, especially if they are on part or no scholarship.

Those kids can all play. I guess "moldng your own team" gets messy.

Dad04 / Bee

I didn't realize the story was 3 pages long. WOW. I'm shocked at his "You can't afford LSU" comment.

The results are obvious.

As soon as Brian O'Connor left for UVA the ND program began to slide.

UVA meanwhile is a possible national seed while LSU won't make the field of 64.

Bottom line: Manieri is over-rated and O'Connor a rising force.

soxnole


Once Manieri has "his" players in place LSU will be back

Not a chance TR.

He left the Irish in the lurch.

and.....

He is a fish out of water in Baton Rouge.

This ain't the Big Least were talking about it's the SEC...1 of 3 conferences that are head and shoulder's above the rest!

Between this thread and one in the "Recruiting" forum entitled "Late Offers" were many who seemed to weigh in with knowedge and, even, moral authority on the notion of "committments."

Believe me, I'm a fan of "committments," but if it's permissible for a 50 year old coach to correct his commitment "mistake," why can't the 18-20 year old player? A coach may be "playing w/in the rules" to release/not renew a player, but a recruit's verbal committment is non-binding (the coaches well-KNOW that), and a recruit changing his mind to accept a better offer is, too.

Right now, I see the deck as "stacked" against an 18 year old kid and his financially strapped parents. For the most part, all he/they really want is the opportunity to get an education while playing ball and defraying some college expense. In making their committment, all most have to go on are the rules (incomprehenible and changing though they may be), the coach's reputation/representations and their own instincts. Conversely, the coach is in his own element, knows (or should know) the rules, has experience, can promise most anything and, in the end, has unlimited authority. Between these two parties, it's difficult to imagine a greater inequity of bargaining knowledge and power...both are the stuff of which "contracts of adhesion" are made.

I KNOW it's the real world and it's cold, no doubt, but I don't understand portraying the coach as occupying some high moral ground (or as just protecting his job), when he backs out of HIS committment, while the recruit is chastised for backing out on his? Assuming reliance on the committment, whose injury is the greater...or, is it just a matter of "whose ox is being gored?"

Has to make a potential recruit think twice - not that he releases players - but the attitude...

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by KB: many who seemed to weigh in with knowedge and, even, moral authority on the notion of "committments

nope ... just observations & and feedback of an x-team-mate who played at LSU
and - now in the bigs



btw - Soxnole's accessment re: O'Connor is pretty good .. imo

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kb2610...

Great post.

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soxnole

I truly apologize--I totally forgot your BIAS and the fact you know all the answers---everyone else is wrong

LSU has a recruiting guy by the name of Terry Rooney who is a pretty decent recruiter

I have no problem with O'Connor ---he is one of the bright young lights in the coaching business and a fine gentleman to boot

I have sat here and read almost all the posts and agree with all the advice that has been presented..but here is a point we may be missing. In D1 Football and D1 Basketball the scholly's are 100% guaranteed for 4 years now this forces the recruiting director to find the best fit for the team. In baseball it has been a pick and choose until you find the right pieces with really no accountability to the student athlete. Promise the young man and his family how great it would be for little johnny to play for them then come spring when johnny doesn't fit there needs cuts him and depending on the amount of scholly $$$ received the athlete is out of school hoping to latch on somewhere. This doesn't appear to me to be accademically motivated and perhaps this is the reason why the GPA of the baseball programs aren't up to par. More responsibility should be put on recruiting the correct athlete hell the coaches typically make the call to the player they're recruiting the players they make the offer, they should have to remain accountable to the player and honor the scholarship. It's as if your renting a player until you find the right player. College is supposed to be about accademic's first and athletic's second. Maybe I'm off base here but the policy seems flawed to me.

Any study of ND,LSU and UVA would bear me out.

Read what you want into things TR but OConnor is the answer to both ND's (previous) and UVA's (current)success.

Neither Rooney or Mainieri has gotten it done in Baton Rouge.