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I have never once thought an umpire had cheated until tonight. I know you guys are going to hammer me for saying this, but really it is the best explanation.

Situation: State semifinal ballgame. Very close all game. My son's team has a one run lead, playing defense in the bottom of the sixth. Two outs, runners on first and second.

Batter hits a swinging bunt, the ball bounces toward pitcher, who runs in, fields a head high bounce, takes his time to make a careful throw, hits the first baseman right on the glove.

First baseman gets ready to roll the ball to the mound, infiled starts to jog in. First base ump is right behind the base (three umpires) ... SAFE!

No way. It was totally routine, out by more than a full step. Radio broadcasters at the game I spoke with afterwards, had the perfect view - they were directly opposite first base. Told me "your team was completely hosed."

There is NO WAY an umpire can miss that call. It was directly in front of him the entire way. It was routinely executed, textbook, wasn't any need to hurry or anything.

My only explanation is that he did it intentionally. I know I am charging the guy with being completely unethical. But NOBODY is that incompetent, and this was a state semifinal game.

Of course the next batter hits the bases loaded single to score two and put the team up by one. And it finished there.

I've seen many bad calls, just like anyone who has been to lots of ballgames. But never once in my life have I thought that the best explanation is that the umpire intentionally threw the call.

That really is the best explanation for this one. NOBODY in that park tonight thought that kid was safe, and I am willing to bet that included the umpire.

Thank God high school is over.
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I certainly can't speak to his motivation or competance. I would hate to think that an umpire being paid to umpire a high end game would purposely tank a call. What possible motivation would he have to do something that unethical? On the other hand, the other choice is equally unpalatable. The only other choice is he is completely clueless. Neither is a good choice.
Interesting...

After Brian Kottek flew out to center, Sheldon Austria singled to put runners on first and second. Nicholas sent Jake Burgess in to pinch run for Owings at second base.

Sean Curry hit a high chopper between home plate and the pitcher's mound, Zarosinski charged the ball and fired to first base, but Curry was called safe.

Curry said he beat the throw, adding that "the tie goes to the runner." Ha, ha..

Lake Oswego coach Jason Anders saw the bang-bang play differently.

"I thought he was out. I didn't even think it was that close," Anders said. "
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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
The game was the state 6A (highest level) playoff semifinal, McNary vs. Lake Oswego. I'd be interested to know what the scuttlebutt is amongst the umpiring community in Oregon.


I certainly dont doubt your version Rob....but I am at a loss to know the whys of the call...

I went online to read the game report in the paper and one called it a bang-bang play....

I would hope and believe that a 6A championship game would have the best umpires that could be had.....

In all my years, (20+) I only worked with one guy who I felt was "Cheating"....I was on a 3 man crew for a tourney championship game...after 2 innings, it became clear to us in the field that the HP umpire was definately calling a extra tight zone on one team.....

we went in at the break of the inning and asked him what was going on....he didnt even bother to lie about it...he was getting back at the coach of the home team for past incidents....

We told him that if he missed another pitch, that we were walking off the field and he would be left to explain why we wont work with a cheater...

He never missed another pitch....

20+ years, One cheater.....
piaa:
I couldn't venture a guess as to why he would do it either. I don't know who the guy is, where he lives, etc.

But it was not a bang bang play. No chance. If it was even a close play at all I would just chalk it up to the breaks.

It is possible, as MST says, the guy is just completely incompetent. Or he choked and gave the wrong signal and had to stand by it (I have seen that before.)

But a bang bang play? Hardly.
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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
piaa:
I couldn't venture a guess as to why he would do it either. I don't know who the guy is, where he lives, etc.

But it was not a bang bang play. No chance. If it was even a close play at all I would just chalk it up to the breaks.

It is possible, as MST says, the guy is just completely incompetent. Or he choked and gave the wrong signal and had to stand by it (I have seen that before.)

But a bang bang play? Hardly.



You were there, you saw it.... I have no reason to doubt you so again I am at a loss...

Also from the paper, your head coach took it very well....very classy response...

I have an umpriing contact in the area and will send him an email........see what the thought is...
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I think it is incomprehensible that a HS umpire would CHEAT…I have never seen this happen … maybe as others have said he made the wrong signal and had to stand by it. It is hard to take at that high level or any level for that matter. I hope that if found to have been cheating he would be barred from EVER umpiring again.
We had an incident in a touney game with a limit on innings pitched and we challenged a kids innings and time was called to check the books,The BU came over to me(I was 1rst base coach) and told me directly that was going to cost us.When play resumed,the next 2 calls at first were blatantly missed called against our team.


I reported it to the league president and NOTHING was done.

He even called some of our games this year and the same kinda of **** went on.He would make a bad call and then look at our dugout to see our reaction.


This particular ump has gotten more coaches and parents tossed from basketball and baseball games than the rest of the umpires combined that I have seen but yet,he is still allowed to call games.

He even does highschool games.How do you get him banned?
His assigner is in the league we play in(9-10 year old league).That hasn't worked either.We have had coaches refuse to coach our all star teams if he is allowed to call the tournaments.



I haven't seen him call a highschool baseball game,not really sure if he is allowed in those(sorry,previous post was misleading,I was speaking of basketball) but I have seen him do JV basketball games and he has tossed parents in those as a result of his antics.
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Originally posted by tfox:
This particular ump has gotten more coaches and parents tossed from basketball and baseball games than the rest of the umpires combined that I have seen but yet,he is still allowed to call games.

He even does highschool games.How do you get him banned?


Due to the amount of games and the lack of officials, getting someone banned is almost impossible.....

But from your post, it seems as if to me that he has been banned.....By his own association...Most associations will not assign better officials to such low level games....

In my experience, if a HS offical is doing 9-10 year old baseball and JV basketball then you can pretty much guarantee the association is trying to put him out to pasture.....

In my own associations, your schedule (amount of games), the level (Varsity/higher) and game importance (playoffs)....are the yardstick for your
career...
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I think iyou stick around long enough you will see everything. to think he trew the call intentionally is hard to believe.
There are good umpires and there are bad umpires just as there are good players bad players good coaches bad coaches. for the sake of the integrity of the profession maybe he was just bad at least on that particular call.

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